MONAVIE HORROR!

hey FT, im curious. you say you are a scientist, but how would a scientist have SO much time to post on so many blogs. You much do a lot of important research for your company.

Irv... Nice try, but still not impressed! As I said, same ole crap. I've heard this from you before also. Same canned stuff...what are you going to pull out of the folder this time? You better go back a few more months if it's gonna look like fresh news.

BSIT wrote: "ONE apple has the antioxidant capacity of 2.4 days worth of MonaVie.

ROFLMFAO~~ Food Fake honestly believes this~~ and expects everyone else to believe it, too!!
Talk about spreading misinformation~~"

**Well, there's the typical puerile response from BSIT.

Now, here are the hard facts from the USDA:
ONE apple (red delicious variety, 150 gms.) has an ORAC of 6,413 umoles.

From the study on MonaVie from AIBMR Life Sciences (Dr. Schauss): MonaVie's ORAC is 22.81 umoles/ml. This equates to 2,698 umoles per 4 oz. (days serving)

So, the apple is just a little under 2.4 times higher in ORAC value than a days serving of MonaVie.

BSIT wrote: "Last time I checked, the apple (of the pesticide-laden variety) didn't improve my sleep, gave me more energy, improved my skin/nails or was the catalyst for better sexual performance. Maybe if I ate 100 apples...I could see similar results...maybe.
One thing's for sure...wouldn't need metamucil."

**The studies that include apples don't make any claims of treatments for afflictions. That is the realm of the MonaVie weasels.

However, including apples, along with a variety of other fruits and vegetables in a well-balanced diet, an individual will be healthier.

Rachael wrote: "Irv..I mean Food Tech, how long are you going to bring us the same ole crap. Running out of things to say?"

**Rachael...I mean Pete Moss, how long are you going to be impersonating women?

BSIT said
"Last time I checked, the apple (of the pesticide-laden variety) didn't improve my sleep, gave me more energy, improved my skin/nails or was the catalyst for better sexual performance. Maybe if I ate 100 apples...I could see similar results...maybe.
One thing's for sure...wouldn't need metamucil"

Good Lord. I suffer from insomnia & constipation and horrible menstruation cramps I was told it was the miracle cure for cramps too) and the MV did not help one iota after having been on it for 1.5 years. I tried several times not to take the advil but when my pain wasn't subsiding, I had to give in and go back to taking the Advil.I really did not want to continue taking the advil and digestion aides because I truly wanted the MV to be the natural "cure" for all of this. And trust me when I say that it didn't help my partner's "sexual performance" one iota either. No one ever commented on how great my skin looked nor did I see a difference. Oh, and BTW I now eat a lot of yogurt and it actually MAKES a difference with my constipation issues.

If there was something in the juice that truly did all of these things, it would do it for the majority of people, not the minority. And, since your own distributor's say 70% of people go off of it, one has to wonder why the juice is so selective in who it "helps". Of the 30% that remain on it, how many are just on it because they keep hoping that they will actually make money off of it? It just doesn't add up.

Humiliated

Monavie: The Usual Suspects

Rachel said: “Irv..I mean Food Tech, how long are you going to bring us the same ole crap. Running out of things to say?”

Oh, I’m sorry if my posts haven’t been fresh or original enough for you. Maybe you’ll enjoy today’s post a little more. I’ve gone through the trouble of collecting some very useful information on the backgrounds of the key people connected with your BS company. I hope you enjoy reading it Rachel; I’m sure many others will.

Dallin Larsen: According to dockets filed in the US District Court, Larsen was Vice President of Sales for the MLM company Dynamic Essentials from December 2001 until February 2003, when the company was shut down by the FDA after ignoring a 2002 FDA violation notice warning them that the products were being illegally advertised as medicinal agents. The product, Royal Tongan Limu juice, was virtually identical to Monavie. A fine of more than $2 million was subsequently levied and all of the company’s inventory was destroyed in a landfill pit in Illinois.
www.amquix.info/pdfs/monavie/2-08-cv-00209-db-02.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Tongan_Limu

Lou Niles: Court-martialed for rape, indecent assault, and false testimony. He was dishonorably discharged from the National Guard and sentenced to a 6-year prison term. He re-emerged several years later as a spokesman in a Monavie video (along with Black Diamond Jason Lyons), dressed in a surgical uniform, pretending to be a cancer specialist, and telling everyone how Monavie cures cancer.
www.armfor.uscourts.gov/opinions/1996Term/95_0738.htm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4rZpm8pzyc&feature=related

Kevin Vokes: A ground-floor Monavie executive distributor since before the product’s launch in January 2005, Vokes was caught by the FDA for illegally marketing Monavie as a disease cure and was served with a notice of violation. Despite the violation, Vokes has remained an active distributor.
www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/EnforcementActivitiesbyFDA/CyberLetters/ucm056937.pdf

Jose Allongo: This Florida-based physician and Monavie distributor was said in several Monavie advertisements to have been awarded the title of “Physician of the Year”. Turns out this bogus title was sold to Allongo by the Republican National Campaign Committee in exchange for a $5000 campaign donation. The “Physician of the Year” scam received widespread attention (and condemnation) from the US news media.
images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?25990264167
www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=27629
www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/7/12148/16554
www.andybranka.com/doctorsandscientists.htm

Ralph Carson: The alleged developer of Monavie and the Chief Science Officer of the company, Carson obtained an academic degree fraudulently by purchasing it from Donsbach “University”, a scandalous mail order diploma mill which was eventually shut down by the New York Attorney General.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/donsbachuniv.html

Phil Driscoll: Phil, a musician and Monavie distributor who frequently performed at Monavie’s national distributor meetings, just finished serving a 1-year prison term for fraud and tax evasion after he was caught bilking funds (over $1 million) from his charitable Christian ministry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Driscoll#Tax_Evasion
Zhivargo Laing: As the former finance minister of the Bahamas, Laing nearly brought the government toppling down in the midst of a national scandal after he was caught for improperly lowering excise taxes on Monavie, in violation of Bahamian law, so as to benefit his sister and brother-in-law, who were both Monavie distributors.
www.jonesbahamas.com/?c=45&a=16359

Gitte Jensen: Lead researcher on Monavie’s only published clinical study, Jensen is most famous for her previous connection with Klamath Lakes blue-green algae supplements, a scandalous operation that was derailed by the FDA in 2000.
www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Stemtech/stemtech.html

Shawn Larsen: Dallin Larsen’s brother, Shawn, was mayor of Rexburg Idaho (which made headlines around the world when a busload of Rexburg school kids were filmed chanting en masse for the assassination of the President Obama) until suddenly resigning last year in the midst of a scandal involving a female staffer (Shawn Larsen is a married man). Shawn, a married man, bailed mid-term from his post as Rexburg mayor to join his brother Dallin in the Monavie business (the last bastion for fugitives, criminals, and deviants).
www.kboi2.com/news/local/86654382.html
www.uvsj.com/articles/2010/01/04/news/37.txt
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/elections-politics-campaigns/12167307-1.html

Noah Sifuentes: Noah, a veteran MLM-er and health products distributor from Utah, was just convicted for felony securities fraud after bilking investors in a planned hospital project in Mexico. A federal judge granted Sifuentes’ recent request to leave the US for a job interview – with Monavie, naturally.
www.deseretnews.com/article/700008901/Utah-County-health-products-dealer-pleads-guilty-to-fraud.html

Orrin Woodward: Orrin is on the hook for a $12 million dollar arbitration award stemming from a lawsuit filed by Amway.
dockets.justia.com/docket/court-miedce/case_no-2:2009cv12944/case_id-241258/
mlmblog.net/2009/12/orrin-woodward-and-the-team-lose-25-million-arbitration-suit.html

ONE apple has the antioxidant capacity of 2.4 days worth of MonaVie.

ROFLMFAO~~ Food Fake honestly believes this~~ and expects everyone else to believe it, too!!
Talk about spreading misinformation~~

Last time I checked, the apple (of the pesticide-laden variety) didn't improve my sleep, gave me more energy, improved my skin/nails or was the catalyst for better sexual performance. Maybe if I ate 100 apples...I could see similar results...maybe.
One thing's for sure...wouldn't need metamucil.

Give it up, Food Fake...take your sideshow back to the circus...where it belongs. Irv can be the guy that yells: "STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS...SEE THE AMAZING FOOD TECH MAKE A FOOL OF HIMSELF DEBUNKING FRUIT JUICE THAT HELPS PEOPLE TURN THEIR HEALTH AROUND!!" ROFLMFAO

BSIT

WOW mona vie actually helped my acid reflux and my terrible case of ED. What a great product

ITBH said: “Congrats to IRV--he found a few people who had allergic reactions to Monavie. Good job, buddy. We have Ace Ventura, superstar private eye here to save us from the deadly perils of Monavie. My hero.”

It’s very telling to see how little these adverse event reports concern you. How cavalier of you to make a diagnosis, even though you aren’t remotely qualified to do so, and then simply dismiss these reports. The incidents of heart palpitations would appear to be completely unrelated to allergies, since numbness of the lips, hives/rashes, GI symptoms, respiratory distress -- the hallmarks of allergic reactions -- weren’t reported in those cases. I don’t expect any of the boneheaded high school dropouts at the bottom of the Monavie pyramid to know anything about medicine, but it's fair to expect them to show some measure of concern and culpability when people complain of adverse reactions to their crappy juice, rather than trying to sweep it under the rug.

@Living it up | March 4, 2010 5:36 PM

"...To all you sissy a$$e$ crying about Monavie. STFU. I'm making money with it..."

And we have a Winner folks! Thanks to 'Living it up' for breaking it down and validating exactly what all the Monavie critics here have been arguing.

Monavie distributors and defenders fall into three camps.

First, those that don't yet realize the scam, but rely on what they have been told by their upline. This group's signup fees and autoship costs contribute a large part to Monavie's bottom line. They are truly guilty of nothing more than ignorance and optimism. Purple Horror exists to provide facts to help set them straight.

Second, those that know full well about the scam, but proceed anyway. Some proceed like busted gamblers on the outside chance they might make up some of their losses. Others got in early enough to still see some commissions, but those checks are shrinking. Still others were brought over from other MLM's and given Diamond positions without selling a single unit. This collective is guilty of flagrant deception and in some cases outright fraud. Nothing said on Purple Horror will save any of this group, because facts run contrary to their ethics. ('Living it up' fits this group)

The third and final group are the ex-distributors. These people got wise to the nutritional lies, or the financial lies, or the medical lies, and decided to walk away. Most leave quietly, but some leave publicly with posts on this message board and others. Between the facts posted by JJT, FoodTech, and Irv, and the complete LACK of facts by Monavie distributors, Purple Horror provides a valuable service to those distributors struck by conscience and looking for the exit. The vitriol spewed by distributors like 'Living it up' just makes the decision to leave that much easier.

“After reading this page for several hours I began to realize how over complicated people have made it. I have been in construction for 30 years the joints in my body are worn out and hurt. I have tried all kinds of pills from the vitamin store and nothing works for me as good as Monavie. I don't care about ORAC score, antioxidants or juice content. I don't care if it is some money making scam. What I care about is how I feel when I get out of bed and go thru another day. So to me it's real simple,I buy the juice for $22.00 a bottle, drink it every day and feel fantastic and I don't care what the juice tech thinks.”

There’s an inadvertent grain of truth lurking in Rick's post. When everything else is stripped away, the Monavie sales pitch boils down to illegal claims and unvetted testimonials from distributors alleging that the juice is medicinal/curative and can replace approved drugs. All the rest is just window dressing for a thinly-veiled snakeoil pyramid scam

Living It Up said: “To all you sissy a$$e$ crying about Monavie. STFU. I'm making money with it. It works and I get paid as well as everyone else on my team and we just enjoy life, period. Just keep feeding the reality your in with wasted time, a crappy a$$ job, family that don't respect you b/c you take it in the a$$ everyday from your boss. And I don't care about my grammer b/c you all can just eat our dust trails you rat race enjoying mofos.”

OK, I stand corrected; the Monavie sales pitch boils down to illegal claims/unvetted testimonials AND hostile blathering from sociopathic distributors. As for “Living It Up”; his parole will probably revoked any day now.

Irv..I mean Food Tech, how long are you going to bring us the same ole crap. Running out of things to say?

IA,

That won't happen there is no "market" for MV. It is 100% a scam, so Coke or Pepsi doesn't care.

ITBH,

Still no answer to my questions. I did not think you would answer. You guys are a joke.

Living it up,
Your post pretty much sums up the class and mentality of all mv reps. Keep up the good work. Your daddy dallin will be proud of you.

Rick,

Advil and quit your job. That will work better than MV.

Living it Up,

Beside the fact that you are an ignorant douche bag that lies, you do not know any of us at all.

You do not get “paid well” from MV. Your team does not get paid well either. It cannot, the binary ONLY pays you on 50% (at most) of your efforts, and you need to spend part of that to “qualify” so you CANNOT get paid well. Please show ANY proof to dispute this.

I personally really enjoy life. I have a phenomenal JOB and I have NO wasted time. I schedule my life down to 15 min increments, which allows me to both enjoy my life and meet my obligations. My family (as well as everyone I come in contact with) respects me for one of my J-O-B-S. The other 4 sources of income that I currently have are pretty much just fun. I am the boss in 80% of my jobs, so I guess I am giving the shaft to others.

It is sad that you and others (especially TMV4L) actually believe what you post. I hope that all of your gene pools get overly chlorinated so that you do not pass on the idiot gene to anyone.

Sooo what happens when this market becomes big enough to entice Coke or Pepsi to purchase the Monavie company or brand, or invests research and development dollars into creating a competing product?? Do you think Coke or Pepsi will continue paying "distributors" rather than just utilizing their own distribution networks and putting their product on store shelves at far lower costs and make up the difference in lost sales with volume?? Am I the only one that understands how competitive this market is and what competition does to new growth industries that start out making loads of money only to have competition come squander it down to razor thin margins?

TEAM MV for Life Wrote: " Most foods in your grocery store are processed foods, as in, not natural, as in, not all that nutritionally good for you."

**Being processed has nothing to do with the product being from a natural source. There are many processed natural foods. MonaVie is a processed juice containing processed freeze-dried acai powder.

He continues: "I don't know about anyone else, but I have been to a few processing plants of fruits, frozen vegetables, and major soft drink companies. Did you know the workers at the fruit processing plant wear gloves to handle the fruit? I asked "is that to keep the fruit from getting contaminated" (as if the machinery it rolls on all day is sterile) and he replied "No, its to protect my hands from all the chemicals they put on the fruit." Nice."

**I've been to many plants in the past thirty years. The gloves are used to reduce the potential for microbial contamination from human to product. Most processing equipment is cleaned and sanitized, periodically, throughout the day.

He continues: "Did you know in order to get fruits from one region of the country/world to another, they have to "preserve" it"

**Preserve it with what? Crops are picked, packaged and shipped. They don't contain preservatives. The water may be reduced or eliminated to inhibit microbial growth and reduce shipping costs.

He continues: "Do you know the difference between "spray-drying" and "freeze-drying"? Both are ways of "preserving" the nutrients in the fruits. Which do you think costs less? Did you know Dr. Schauss invented this process, pantented it and gave exclusive rights to this process to MonaVie, which has a facility in Brazil to do preserve it as Dr. Schauss intended"

**My, you are full of misinformation. Dr. Schauss didn't invent freeze drying. This process has been around for decades. His patent uses standard freeze drying techniques that have been slightly modified for acai. Nothing impressive about that.

As shown on the MonaVie label, the acai powder is blended with acai puree. Acai puree may or may not contain the acai fruit, which is the part of the plant that is most nutritious.

Dr. Schausses AIBMR study shows MonaVie having an ORAC of 22.81 umoles/ml. Compare this to the acai powder which has an ORAC of 1,027 umoles/gm. Even the simplest of minds can figure out that the acai is tremendously diluted for the ORAC value to drop so drastically.

He writes: "I admit it takes some real balls to make "claims" that an apple (1 fruit) has more antioxidants than 19 fruits, 1 being the highest known antioxidant fruits"

**Sigh...I'm comparing one apple (150 gms.) to a days serving of MonaVie (4 fluid oz.) The 4 oz. does not have 19 whole pieces of fruit in it. It has small amounts from each of the 19 fruits, totaling 4 fluid oz.

He continues: "You see, all fruits to a large degree, transport and shelf life mainly, are preserved. Oh and juices made from concentrate have very little nutritional value."

**I hate to burst your bubble, but the fruits that are used in MonaVie are transported the same way. They are shipped in large containers, on great big boats and stored at a distribution center. They are then shipped by train or truck to the bottling plant.

And guess what? They are shipped as purees, powders, or concentrates, not as whole fruits.

Look at the MonaVie label. You'll see the words "purees" and "juice from concentrate."

He continues: "Also, fruit juices such as those from Welch's, etc, their first ingredient is Water, then typically some form of sugar. But hey, they're cheap, so I guess you get what you pay for"

**The first ingredient is "grape juice from concentrate (water, grape juice concentrate)"

There is no added sugar. The sugar in this juice, as in most juices, come from fruit sugars. The same for MonaVie. I don't recommend any type of fruit juice as a regular part of a diet.

He prattles on about this leg and that leg and other nonsense, then finishes with: "the antioxidants equal to over 10-13 servings of fruit/vegetables in a day,"

**13 fruits only if you compare it with 13 antioxidant anemic fruits, such as watermelon.

ONE apple has the antioxidant capacity of 2.4 days worth of MonaVie.

You have come close to breaking the record for the most errors in one post. I recommend that you actually look at a MonaVie label before posting again.

MV4L: “The other couple make, as Golds, more in 6 months than what they both made combined in a year. What do you think that money has allowed them to do? Do you think they went out and bought new cars, jewelry, house, etc?”

Ummm…obviously not! The average annual income for a Gold executive is only about 50K. A combined salary of 50 K for a couple isn’t exactly the kind of money that anyone is going to be throwing down for cars and jewelry; it's barely enough to survive on. And what are the odds of ever even reaching the Gold level or higher? Less than 1 in 100! That’s not a business; it’s a lottery ticket.

Don’t you troglodytes ever get sick of inventing these frail straw man arguments?

After reading this page for several hours I began to realize how over complicated people have made it. I have been in construction for 30 years the joints in my body are worn out and hurt. I have tried all kinds of pills from the vitamin store and nothing works for me as good as Monavie. I don't care about ORAC score,antioxidants or juice content. I don't care if it is some money making scam. What I care about is how I feel when I get out of bed and go thru another day. So to me it's real simple,I buy the juice for $22.00 a bottle, drink it every day and feel fantastic and I don't care what the juice tech thinks.

To all you sissy a$$e$ crying about Monavie. STFU. I'm making money with it. It works and I get paid as well as everyone else on my team and we just enjoy life, period.

Just keep feeding the reality your in with wasted time, a crappy a$$ job, family that don't respect you b/c you take it in the a$$ everyday from your boss. And I don't care about my grammer b/c you all can just eat our dust trails you rat race enjoying mofos.

TEAM MV 4 Life (TM4L) said: “The one thing I don't get after reading some of the "regular haters" on here, is that they act like no other foods, juices, vegetables, you name it and etc do not come with negatives. Most foods in your grocery store are processed foods, as in, not natural, as in, not all that nutritionally good for you.”

Rather than referring to your critics as “haters” why not show some humility and recognize that they have every reason to be critical of a product that many people are marketing illegally as a disease remedy. Secondly, Monavie is more processed than any of the fruits and vegetables I buy in the store –- to pretend otherwise is simply ridiculous. Your juice is a mystery blend of benzoate-laced fruit syrups, at least some of which originate from places like China that often have poor QC/oversight/regulation. I don’t see how any honest individual could ever compare fruit from the grocer with processed fruit juice syrup shipped by slow boat from China and then spiked with nasty preservatives. I can buy pure USDA-certified organic acai juice from at least two different suppliers (Sambazon and Knudsen) for about 1/10 the price of Monavie, and neither adds benzoate or any other preservatives to their products.

TM4L said: “Do you know the difference between "spray-drying" and "freeze-drying"? Both are ways of "preserving" the nutrients in the fruits. Which do you think costs less? Did you know Dr. Schauss invented this process, patented it and gave exclusive rights to this process to MonaVie, which has a facility in Brazil to do preserve it as Dr. Schauss intended.”

Very ignorant! Schauss (who we all know bought his degree from a diploma mill and lied about his credentials) did not invent freeze-drying per se; the process has been around for many decades. And what’s the name and address of Monavie’s facility in Brazil? If it exists, prove it; otherwise, don’t make the claim.

TM4L said: “Do you think Food Tech has studied the acai berry as long as Dr. Schauss?”

A. Maybe; B. Who cares; C. One only need study Monavie briefly to recognize that it’s a bad overpriced product being used to support a corrupt pyramid scheme.

TM4L said: “Do you think people who have high, negative opinions about things that do not fully understand, either due to pride or arrogance, can really say anything about this?”

I have a highly negative opinion of Monavie, as would any sober minded individual, and I have amply demonstrated that I understand the product better than you do. It has nothing to do with pride or arrogance; it has everything to do with intelligence and honesty.

TM4L said: “I admit it takes some real balls to make "claims" that an apple (1 fruit) has more antioxidants than 19 fruits, 1 being the highest known antioxidant fruits.”

It doesn’t take any balls at all; just a tiny bit of brains. It’s as simple as looking at one number, comparing it to another number, and drawing a conclusion as to which number is bigger. How ballsy is that? Schauss’ study lists the ORAC score (22.8 units/mL) and the amount of polyphenols in Monavie. Compare those numbers with the data in the USDA database and it’s very simple to conclude that Monavie is low in antioxidants, which is the same conclusion that Men’s Journal arrived at after having the juice analyzed by Chromadex Labs. If you have any other data that shows otherwise, produce it. I think it’s ballsy for distributors to go around saying that Monavie has the antioxidant equivalent of 5 to 13 servings of fruit and vegetables, when in fact, the only way this could be true would if they were comparing it to 13 servings of melon rinds, iceberg lettuce, and onion skins.

TM4L said: “You see, all fruits to a large degree, transport and shelf life mainly, are preserved. Oh and juices made from concentrate have very little nutritional value.”

No, I don’t see; because you are clearly wrong. (A) your juice IS made from concentrates -– try reading your own label some time fool. (B) No other fruit juice on the grocery store shelf contains benzoate -– Monavie stands alone in this regard.

TM4L said: “Also, fruit juices such as those from Welch's, etc, their first ingredient is Water, then typically some form of sugar. But hey, they're cheap, so I guess you get what you pay for.”

Foolish liar! Welch’s clearly states that they do not add ANY sugar. It’s true that one gets what they pay for if they buy Welch’s (a nutritious tasty beverage that’s high in antioxidants); it’s not true if they buy Monavie (a nutritionally-bereft preservative-laced $45 bottle of crap that’s low in antioxidants and high in BS).
www.welchs.com/products/juices-and-drinks/100-percent-grape-juice/100-percent-grape-juice

TM4L said: “So, clearly it is not a pyramid, where the guy on top makes all the money.”

Then why have guys like Brig Hart and Steve Merrit been making all the money since the inception of Monavie. Based on your logic, it sure looks like a pyramid.

TM4L said: “So, judge however you will, take the advice from anonymous people on the internet of some third-party blog or from people who, even people like me, claim to have all the answers good or bad.”

Clearly you are a horribly unreliable source of information. You can’t even get the most basic facts straight.

TM4L said: “The only thing I can suggest, is you try the product yourself. If it makes a difference for you, great. If not, don't buy it. I'm sure some doctor somewhere would love to prescribe you some pills for whatever ails you. Just be sure to take the other pill to counter the side effects from the first pill, and so on. Oh that reminds me, have you ever noticed how most pills and what not, never cure what ails you, they only treat the symptoms. Think about that one.”

This is what the Monavie sales pitch always boils down to –- ‘ignore the facts and just give me your F-ing money because Monavie will replace your medication’. You are a dangerous, disingenuous fool and a liar – just like all the rest of the greedy lemmings who flog this garbage.

Congrats to IRV--he found a few people who had allergic reactions to Monavie. Good job, buddy. We have Ace Ventura, superstar private eye here to save us from the deadly perils of Monavie. My hero.

This is the same guy who would have been first in line to get his Vioxx prescription (if he suffered from chronic pain. Or, if he were diabetic...he'd line up to get some Avandia--no matter the cost--both drugs were endorsed by the FDA---causing heart attacks and killing people).

BY the way--great post by Team MV4Life-- way to tell it like it is!!

sweetpollypurebread

But since you suffer

john pothews,
No such thing as bad publicity?
Ever heard of the exploding Ford Pinto, or Michael Vick, or Tiger Woods, Tylenol with cyanide, etc, etc.
Yes, you are soo right, even though they all recieved bad publicity it still helped their market share. Oh wait, maybe I'm wrong. They all actually LOST money because of BAD PUBLICITY. As will monavie.
God, you are such an mlm/monavie tool.
Also, please ask Vanna for a few more vowels & syllables to complete your 1st grade prose.

The one thing I don't get after reading some of the "regular haters" on here, is that they act like no other foods, juices, vegetables, you name it and etc do not come with negatives. Most foods in your grocery store are processed foods, as in, not natural, as in, not all that nutritionally good for you. They do not mention the everyday foods they consume as not having any of these ingredients. I don't know about anyone else, but I have been to a few processing plants of fruits, frozen vegetables, and major soft drink companies. Did you know the workers at the fruit processing plant wear gloves to handle the fruit? I asked "is that to keep the fruit from getting contaminated" (as if the machinery it rolls on all day is sterile) and he replied "No, its to protect my hands from all the chemicals they put on the fruit." Nice.
Did you know in order to get fruits from one region of the country/world to another, they have to "preserve" it. Do you know the difference between "spray-drying" and "freeze-drying"? Both are ways of "preserving" the nutrients in the fruits. Which do you think costs less? Did you know Dr. Schauss invented this process, pantented it and gave exclusive rights to this process to MonaVie, which has a facility in Brazil to do preserve it as Dr. Schauss intended. Do you think Food Tech has studied the acai berry as long as Dr. Schauss? Does Food Tech work for an hourly/salaried pay? Do you think Food Tech knows anything about running a pipeline business that through a system can create residual income stream? Do you think people who have high, negative opinions about things that do not fully understand, either due to pride or arrogance, can really say anything about this? I admit it takes some real balls to make "claims" that an apple (1 fruit) has more antioxidants than 19 fruits, 1 being the highest known antioxidant fruits... Side note, when you go to the grocery store and buy a banana, what color are they typically? Green, right? Why is that? If you don't know, its so that they can sit on the shelf longer before they get rotten. Now, do you think something that isn't ripe, or fully grown, is going to contain the best nutrition that fruit has to offer compared to one that was on a tree until ripe, then picked and eaten? Pretty obvious I'd say. You see, all fruits to a large degree, transport and shelf life mainly, are preserved. Oh and juices made from concentrate have very little nutritional value. Also, fruit juices such as those from Welch's, etc, their first ingredient is Water, then typically some form of sugar. But hey, they're cheap, so I guess you get what you pay for.
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In a binary, meaning two, MonaVie's compensation plan works so its pay for performance, the way work should be "in my opinion", not work for what pay the CEO deems it is worth because in that system, you will never make more than the CEO, now who's in a pyramid? A will not make $ on the volume of B,C,D unless A starts a 2nd leg like B did. If you enroll in MonaVie, 1/2 your business gets build whether you "do" anything or not. If you want that opportunity, there are requirements if YOU choose it. You will not get any $ if you do not lead a 2nd group. If you build only a 2nd leg, it will soon out grow your "taproot" and soon you will be making less and less, so you HAVE to build 2 groups. Those you add ONLY help your upline with POTENTIAL MONEY. Each person upline still has to have a 2nd group in order to make any money. So, clearly it is not a pyramid, where the guy on top makes all the money. I know a Presidential Black Diamond who's personal upline sponsor is a Blue Diamond. I know a Diamond who has a personally sponsored Black Diamond and Hawaiian Blue Diamond. So again, not a pyramid. Oh and another thing to dispel doubts, upline from myself, there is a new Ruby, he started MonaVie from scratch brand new, July of 2008. He has helped 2 couples to Gold and the wife retired from a self-employed business. The other couple make, as Golds, more in 6 months than what they both made combined in a year. What do you think that money has allowed them to do? Do you think they went out and bought new cars, jewelry, house, etc? No, they still live in the same house, drive the same cars, but they have all day to spend it with each other, their kids, their grandkids, on trips, giving to their church, volunteering, etc. So, judge however you will, take the advice from anonymous people on the internet of some third-party blog or from people who, even people like me, claim to have all the answers good or bad.
The only thing I can suggest, is you try the product yourself. If it makes a difference for you, great. If not, don't buy it. I'm sure some doctor somewhere would love to prescribe you some pills for whatever ails you. Just be sure to take the other pill to counter the side effects from the first pill, and so on. Oh that reminds me, have you ever noticed how most pills and what not, never cure what ails you, they only treat the symptoms. Think about that one.

Enough from me, I'm sure the "haters" here will try and tear apart my post and I say "go for it" it will give you something to do, as for me, I'm going to finish my glass of Active+Mmun+Pulse, its called "AMP" haha. You know what, its best tasting $15 glass of 100% juice, made from over 19 fruits, with the antioxidants equal to over 10-13 servings of fruit/vegetables in a day, conveniently and scientifically backed, formulated with a purpose, I believe I will ever have.

Cheers!

kwm wrote: " the company is growing exponentially every day."

Food Tech said: "**Really!?, now that would be astounding. I believe the writer doesn't have a clue what exponential growth means. Were you thinking of exponential decay, maybe?"

Good catch FT. If what kwm said were true about exponential daily growth, Monavie LLC, which distributors claim is a "billion-dollar company", would be a quadrllion-dollar company in a mere 11 days. These distributors seem to have as much of a grasp of basic math as they do spelling, grammar, and logic -- very little.

Monavie? it's just the another in a long line of snake oils. The Marketing and Marketing Channel is the thing. You could fill those fancy wine bottles with...well, you get the picture.

The MV gig is way over exposed. there's very few social people who haven't either been in and out or decided never to get involved after going to a tasting. have you old timers who've had some sucess noticed a slowdown?

well, all you MV apostles, don't look now but there's a hot, new MLM coming down the road. starting up in the Florida! the sunshine state!

Many more incidents of adverse effects from Monavie have been reported on this forum:
www.discovervancouver.com/forum/monavie-experience-t14888.html

The side effects of Monavie included heart palpitations, depression, nausea, headaches, nosebleeds, blood pressure elevation, sleep disturbance, digestive tract issues, and joint pain.

Just reciently I started buying monavie product and im not sure if the juice is making me fel beter or im at an upward cycle in my life.Either way I am feling somewhat beter.As faras the marketing strategy goes wel ive sen this over the years and well until someone comes up with a beter idea on how to franchise a product with the $ trickling upward,im afraid were stuck with this type of patern.Ive read some of the blogs and I see alot of the people have some hostility inthere debating.The fact that it makes this controversy ads fuel to the advertising psycology and addage theres no such thing as bad publicity and also makes it enticing to the masses.If there is ever a debate in a real time public forum,I wonder if the same people blogging will show up and say what they print with the same enthusiasm.

kwm said: “It amazing the stupidity level of most of these so call "experts' that post on this website!”

I’ll pit my “so-called expertise” against yours any day. If you’re desperate enough to whore Monavie, then you must not be an expert at anything, relevant to this blog or otherwise.

kwm said: “MLM is just that, network marketing, its a juice and thats all it is...”

Thanks for clarifying that for us EXPERT! Let's not bother asking those pesky questions like whether the juice is worth 45 cents, let alone $45, or whether more than 90% of distributors are losing money while the Black Diamonds get rich flogging useless sales tools and laughably amateurish motivational lectures.

kwm said: “Does it really matter who is at the top and who isnt?”

Obviously yes, expert! Just ask someone at the bottom (or at the top for that matter).

kwm said: “Every person has the same opportunity as the next when they register with the company and start their network.”

Yes, the same chance as the rest of the bottom feeding suckers (90% of the sales force) who make nothing or next to nothing. They certainly don't have the same opportunity as the Black Diamonds and founders who have been sitting atop the pyramid since its inception. The rest of the distributors don't see a penny of the money that the kingpins make from selling sales tools and event tickets, and that's where all the real money is -- that is the real purpose of Monavie. The distributors are just a captive audience to sell useless crap to.

“Its amazing that MLM has been around for over 100 years and this crap like this blog still exist!”

Really? Of all the things in the universe, this is that what you think is amazing? I think it’s amazing that some people thing they can get away with whoring overpriced benzoate-laced, nutrient-deficient, non-organic grape juice to little old ladies as a cure for cancer and arthritis.

kwm said: “All you haters need a life.”

Who is it that teaches all of you distributors to say this? Can’t we have a life and still hate Monavie. Who says the two are mutually exclusive? I think that it's perfectly reasonable to have some degree of animosity towards snakeoil salesmen, cheats, and liars. It’s not a stretch to say that my life must be a far sight better than yours, since I don’t let greed get the better of me and I never had to (and never would) stoop so low as to sell Monavie.

kwm wrote: " the company is growing exponentially every day."

**Really!?, now that would be astounding. I believe the writer doesn't have a clue what exponential growth means. Were you thinking of exponential decay, maybe?

beans wrote:

"blah blah blah irv and food tech come on you can't fool us just cause youre living a shitty life and you see people having a better quality of life than you by drinking MONAVIE and or selling it!get a f*cking life!!!!!!"

**Mr. beans, such a potty mouth. I am quite content with the quality of my life, thank you.

Is this the best argument you can put forward in the support of your product?

I believe the pro-MonaVites are flustered and bewildered. As Chick Hearn used to say "it's garbage time."

In the words of Mark Twain:

“How easy it is to make people
believe a lie and how hard it is
to undo that work again!”

blah blah blah irv and food tech come on you can't fool us just cause youre living a shitty life and you see people having a better quality of life than you by drinking MONAVIE and or selling it!get a f*cking life!!!!!!!

It amazing the stupidity level of most of these so call "experts' that post on this website! MLM is just that, network marketing, its a juice and thats all it is...Does it really matter who is at the top and who isnt? there are people moving up the ranks in MonaVie every week in the business and the company is growing exponentially every day. Every person has the same opportunity as the next when they register with the company and start their network. Its amazing that MLM has been around for over 100 years and this crap like this blog still exist! MLM is growing every year, dozens of new companies emerge and only and handful find success. MoanVie one of those few, rather than beat up on any of the MLM companies jump on board and open your mind! All you haters need a life.

itbh,

There was nothing bizarre about my post. I am not sure why you would characterize it as such(you claim I go on and on - I guess you think that five minutes out of my day to both read and respond to this blog is difficult). I think I was 100% lucid in my post. I brought up points to rebut your red herring arguments. I corrected your poor diction and your ignorance with both wine and Latin abbreviations. You did not spell “tails” incorrectly you used poor diction, or you may actually think that you used the correct homophone. Many MV distributors make the same mistake with "your" and "you’re" as well as "to" and "too". I did not think you would be different – it must be the fatty acids in MV. You still haven’t answered the questioned I asked about those.

I do not have voices in my head and I do not take any medications. I asked you questions that apparently you either could not comprehend or just refused to answer. I am thinking it is much more the former. I also asked you to explain why you like the FDA when it benefits your poorly presented arguments.

And it is “spelled”, by the way.

"This company is based on Christian principles – the ones that allow people to be conned into thinking that a god needs their hard earned money."

I am a Christian, and in no way does my religion "con" people that they need money.

I absolutely hate what this organization has done to some of my friends. They are using the Christianity Religion to lure in people who cannot think for themselves. "Oh, it must be good because they're Christians!"

They are ruining what a real Christian is. No one should insult a religion because a business like this is stating they are apart of it.

Religion and business do not mix, and nor shall they ever. I have always hoped people would grow up and realize the difference.

Mitch,

Drink more MV you are definitely not very lucid. I wish that MV helped to increase intelligence in all of you slack-jawed yokels. I hope the next tasting party at your trailer is a success.

Response to MM:
Hella expensive apples.

No lol its not that simple.

I was in Monavie until 11/09 and am saving so much $ off of it. Do yourself a favor please. Save your $ and then go buy apple,orange,grape,pomegranite juice plus supplements cuz itll be cheaper than Monavie.

Whats up now with Monavie teaming up with ehealthinsurance?! Theres all sorts of evil there.

Much love.
Chris

I can only respond to your incredibly bizarre post, CF, by saying one thing: you are one strange mofo. Say: What medz do you take to silence those voices in your head - the ones that urge you to blog senselessly on and on and on? Might be time to change to something different...

Ever so sorry I spelt tails wrong (when I meant "tales") --freakin' sue me nut job!!

Mr. Food Tech you just amaze me to no end. What a brilliant piece you wrote in your post about the preservative in Coke and Diet Coke. You write beautifully about things when you're not hateful. I think everyone should give you high fives for a job well done.

Whats up with monavie? Here in Jacksonville FL the rats are leaving the ship.....and leaving FAST. All the up-liners are now moving the HUSTLE over to visalus. Something must be up.

ITBH wrote: "Once again, I will point out that Monavie must utilize Sodium Benzoate because the berries will ferment- causing the product to spoil. The FDA is fine and dandy with this, if small amounts of the compound are added"

**This is true. MonaVie does need to use preservatives (sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate).

Let me point out that the sorbate is more directed at yeast (fermentation) and molds, and the benzoate is more useful to inhibit bacteria (lactic and acetic). The citric acid in MonaVie is added to lower the pH to make the preservatives effective. It is also used to make brix/acid ratio batch corrections.

The point that Irv makes is correct. Most fruit juices produced in the United States no longer have a need for preservatives. This was accomplished by better product formulation, more precise pasteurization and filtering methods, and an increase in sanitation awareness on the part of the bottlers.

Ten years ago, this was not the case. Most fruit juices had the two major preservatives (sorbate and benzoate).

So, why does Welch's, Kerns, Ocean Spray, etc...labels no longer have preservatives, but a brand new fruit juice (MonaVie) must still use them?

All of the companies above, including MonaVie use flash pasteurization methods. However, all pasteurizations are not the same.

Flash pasteurization or High Temperature Short Time (HTST) basically, is raising the temperature to 160 F for about 15 seconds, and then quickly, lowering it down to 35-40 f.

The key is to quickly fill aseptic bottles, and seal them. The asceptic process is complicated and expensive. Unless MonaVie has the product batched and bottled by a major distributor with this capability, it is unlikely they will get the full benefit of modern pasteurization methods.

Another problem with the product is the sediment and small bits of material found after bottling. Trying to pasteurize this material, while not over cooking the juice, would be very difficult.

Therefore, due to inferior processing capabilities, MonaVie finds itself trying to peddle a health drink with two preservatives.

ITBH wrote: "Moreover, as far as the other juices that refrain from adding SB, these are all refrigerated products with limited shelf lives. Because of the low price points of these products, they are sold in short order. You can't compare those products to Monavie. Apples and oranges. Nice try."

**It was also a successful try. Welch's, Ocean Spray, and several other fruit juices are sold on the dry grocery shelf. They have unopened shelf lives of around one year.

If MonaVie had a reasonable price point, it too, would be sold in short order, and this blog wouldn't exist.

There are several non-preserved, low-priced, juices at the grocers. Most have a higher ORAC and more polyphenols than MonaVie. These include: pomegranate juice, concord grape juice, blueberry juice, and black cherry juice.

A study was conducted by The Center for Human Nutrition, David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA that names and compares various antioxidant capacities of juices.

It was published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, 2008, Vol. 56, pgs. 1415-1422.

MonaVie is a quickly formulated get-rich-quick scheme that benefited very few financially, and even fewer nutritionally.

It's time to put a cork in it. Wasn't that clever?

ITBH wrote - Moreover, as far as the other juices that refrain from adding SB, these are all refrigerated products with limited shelf lives.

***Wrong, I looked at both refrigerated and un-refrigerated juices in my local grocery store and absolutely none of the non-refrigerated juices contained SB.

So, how do you answer to that one??

Boy, Irv sure has been unraveling right before our eyes. He has been getting his BUTT whipped here lately. He was quite for some time, but decided to flirt with disaster again, and has backed himself into a corner. Where's JJT! Irv needs some help! Come on girl...come to his aid..you usually do.

Itbh,

I find it particularly amazing that when the FDA backs one of your points (that SB is OK in small amounts) they are your friend (source of information), but otherwise they are part of the Big Pharma conspiracy. Care to explain that?

hmmmmmmmmmm

After reading several posts, I would have to agree with Food Tech on the fact that MonaVie, as most mlm generated "nutritional supplements", has little or no nutritional value at all.

MonaVie will soon fall behind as the trend moves toward new lurking "opportunities" such as Evolv.

Daphne,

I am sure that Irv will jump all over you, but I felt the need to chime in (and to thank you).

1. Dr Schauss proved this in his study. ALL MV distributors quote him, so you should have no trouble finding it.

2. Water is necessary for life and when mixed with food we get the liquid and the nutrients that our bodies need. No need to be a nutritionist to know that we need water to survive. It is a FACT that there is little nutrition in MV, reference the label and the study by Schauss and Men’s Health.

3. There are NO whole fruits in MV. MV states this in their literature.

4. SB is BAD for you. You should limit your intake of this harmful preservative. The FDA has done many studies on it.

5. The retail price, as quoted by distributors, is from $35 to $45 dollars per bottle. You get it cheaper if you are on Auto-ship and cheaper still if you go to E-bay (which hurts the independent distributor).

6. Welch’s is 100% grape juice with water and Campbell’s has tomatoes, water, salt and Ascorbic Acid. That’s it.

7. The FDA has specific guidelines as far as “organic” is concerned. Just because something grows wild does not make the item “organic”. MV does not use any “organic” ingredients or it would say so on the bottle.

8. If a distributor says it to sell MV, it is advertising.

9. The individual fruit may be beneficial; the MV blend apparently is not. ALL studies state that it is not.

10. Correct, the consumer does not know, they “only changed one thing – added MV” to their diet. Then had the heart issues. Does it matter which MV product caused the condition?

11. The “doctors” lied about their credentials to add credibility so they could sell their crap to idiots like you. I am not sure why anyone would lie to get a better job, or lie in general. Many people do though. I am sure you think Dr Phil has a PhD, also. He doesn’t.

12. Would you allow a recently released pedophile to watch your children? He paid his debt to society, isn’t that discrimination? You are really not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.

13. Correct, he left before he could get implicated. He definitely knew what was going on within that company.

14. Please show me ONE new to MLM distributor that has been successful with MV. I have not found one.

15. n/a

16. That is the goal of MV, sell training rather than juice. Are you really that naïve?

17. There is NO compensation plan within MLM that does not benefit the company more than the distributor. The binary is actually the worse one, by design you ONLY can get paid on less than 50% of your sales.

18. Those periodicals are not biased by advertisers. E&Y and INC are 100% pay to play type awards.

19. The BBB is NATIONAL, that means EVERY state has the same rating for MV it is either D- or F. You show your ignorance many times in your post.

20. That was a huge mistake. Claiming something was in MV that was not. Not every business gets sued and pays a multi-million dollar settlement.

21. n/a

22. They were sued because they “conned” their down-line into jumping ship so they could get high level positions at MV. It has everything to do with MV and point number 14.

23. Tolerance is a Christian value. Marsh may have used your money or the MORE project’s money to donate.

Distributors like you make my arguments to my friend much more winnable (also it makes my morning). Thank you for your ignorance and your less than average intelligence.

itbh

No one here argued that wines need preservatives, so I am not sure why you bring up wine. Irv and FT both argue that SB is bad for your body. SB is not in wine, but it is in MV and diet soda. MV has SB in it so that juice whores can keep it in their trunks for a year. It does not NEED preservatives if you buy it and consume it quickly. The longer shelf life has NOTHING to do with quality. It has to do with AUTO-SHIP. You really are an idiot.

I find it amazing that you know that MV can interact with medications and cause medical issues, yet you cannot understand that the juice is crap. It must be BigPharma’s fault that a crap juice containing benzene may interact with their products. Are all blood thinners potentially deadly when mixed with MV? Does “medz” only mean blood thinners or does “medz” represent all products produced to help make people well? Your use of “i.e.” (that is) means that “medz” equals blood thinners; I do not think that was your point. You may want to use e.g. (for free, loosely translated as – “for example”) next time – you may need to brush up on your Latin after you read your dictionary. I am just trying to help out those less fortunate than I.

Are "tails of woe" at the ass end of a tale of woe? You should know because you are an ass(et) to MV. The company must really love seeing how stupid its distributors are. You are a fine advertisement for the professionalism and successfulness of MV.

I do not think I could handle being an English teacher, I am not patient enough. I did teach Special Ed kids for a while, though. The experience was quite rewarding and the students were very similar to the few distributors that attempt to comment on here.

Irv-

You neglect to inform people that Coke discontinued use of preservatives in the United Kingdom O N L Y~~ no where else.

Once again, I will point out that Monavie must utilize Sodium Benzoate because the berries will ferment- causing the product to spoil. The FDA is fine and dandy with this, if small amounts of the compound are added. Wineries, too, must add preservatives to protect against berry spoilage. I fail to see any outrage against the wine industry for this practice. Why you get so hung up on Monavie's usage of SB is beyond me. Moreover, as far as the other juices that refrain from adding SB, these are all refrigerated products with limited shelf lives. Because of the low price points of these products, they are sold in short order. You can't compare those products to Monavie. Apples and oranges. Nice try.

As for the heart palp testimonials-I googled as you suggested..and found nada. Wherever these fine tails of woe can be found, most likely monavie interacted with medz (i.e, blood thinners) these folks were on...which caused heart fluttering/racing. All distributors are taught to instruct potential customers to check with their doctor(s) b4 consumption of the product. Common sense. I know you would never believe that distributors actually do this, Irvt*rd---but they do.

itbh

Rachel said: “Irv and Food Tech are the same person! This is an easy one to figure out....”

You couldn’t figure out how to empty water from a bucket with the instructions printed on the bottom.

Irv, if you ever got your facts right it would be a "miracle"

1. Only you and you friend Food Tech says they are. Wrong fact. What scientific journal did you find this?

2. You are not a nutritionist, Wrong fact. It’s your opinion. Water has no discernible nutritional value either; you're saying MonaVie has no discernible nutritional value the same as water?

3. It's a juice Irv, not whole fruit. Wrong fact. Again you're not a nutritionist. What about Kiwi, Passion Fruit, Cranberries, Pear, and Prune they all have dietary fiber. they are in MonaVie

4. Amazing Irv, you have complained about this for a long time, No deaths or illness from this? I'm sure you have suffered from the intake of sodium benzoate cause you complain about so much.

5. Wrong fact again. E-Bay has it for $20. MonaVie $32 It is not $45. What other juice has 19 fruits in it?

6. Too bad Irv, then you would be making your own juice. How much juice is in Welch's? How many tomatoes in Campbell's tomato juice? They are list as primary.

7. Wrong fact. Bilberry, one of the nineteen fruits in MonaVie. Bilberries are mostly collected from wild plants growing on accessible lands; I think wild plants are organic.

8. Wrong fact. MonaVie does not advertise treatment for disease. MonaVie states; it is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

9.Wrong fact. Nor has it ever been shown to prevent or treat any medical condition. True, as before MonaVie states; it is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Read about the fruits in MonaVie and what they do for health.

10.Wrong fact. The consumer does not know if this is what causes the heart palpitations. If you claim MonaVie is so low and it has very little discernible nutritional value and everything else, surely it can't be MonaVie. Those were your own words, Irv. Which one of the MonaVie products did she take? You believe the consumer’s testimony, funny.

11. Wrong fact. Why would a doctor jeopardize 30 years with fake credentials? Since you like newspapers, check the Tacoma News Tribune 1992

12.True fact. Did they pay for their crimes? Yes they did, are they not allowed joining a business? Or invest in any business. Is everybody in business perfect? They are citizens just like you and have paid their debt to society. Do you believe in discrimination?

13.Right but wrong fact. Dallin Larsen had already left the company two years before it was shut down. You forgot to point it out

14.What are the chances of succeeding to the top at Wal-mart? Dismally low. You have to do the work. Everyday people are succeeding in MonaVie just look at Monavieonthemove.

15. True. And you said $45 a bottle, E-Bay $20, MonaVie $32 get your facts straight. Do you know if these people are distributors? E-Bay won't tell, do you know? Nice little typo [anythwing]

16.Then why sell the juice just sell training materials. Who holds the gun to make you buy?

17.Don't be the problem, be the solution. What system would you recommend?

18.All those newspapers and magazines make money from advertising since MonaVie didn't advertise in these papers what do you think they would say? It’s a miracle juice? No advertise, bad review. Remember you said the same thing about INC 500 and E&Y.

19. Maybe in your state it does. Not in all the states.

20.True, but that was 4 years ago. Every business makes some sort of mistake.

21.True,

22.What does that have to do with Monavie? NOTHING. These people owned their own Amway business, and decided to join another company. I guess they make a mistake.

23.We are allowed in this country the freedom to vote or contribute to what ever party we choose. He has the right to his beliefs whether you like it or not. Why didn't you contribute to [Prop 8]? How about Big Pharma contributing to the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Or whom did you vote for? It's really none of my business, and should be none of yours.

Anon wrote: "Just a question folks: I just received a bottle from a friend and opened it. (after shaking, of course). Is the juice supposed to contain this slimey sludgy stuff floating around in it?"

**This is, most likely, ropiness or slime, which is common in poorly processed juices, such as MonaVie.

ITBH writes: Newsflash to Irv: If companies remove preservatives from their products, MOLD & YEAST & other bad things will thrive...which in turn leads to SPOILAGE.

Actually none of the refrigerated and non-refrigerated juices at the local grocery store contain preservatives, I checked, It's all in the bottling process.

So the question is; why does MV incorporate this harmful preservative when other juices like V8, Welches, Juicy Juice, Minute Maid, and many others don't?

MM Writes: It is juice people! Certified organic

Yes, juice with Sodium Benzoate, is this something you'd like to add to your diet?

It is not certified organic, please show us where we can find this fictitional info please.

ITBH: “This is the "SEVERAL PEOPLE" that Irvt*ard is referring to. One blog on Monavieland. As anyone with half a brain can surmise..the MONAVIE consumption by this person helped ALLEVIATE the heart palpitations--not caused them. IRV-do you know no shame the nonsense you blog as being fact. We all know you are shameless.”

All you had to do was Google “Monavie + palpitations” and you would have found that the FIRST search hit was for a breast cancer support group forum that has 5 user reports (describing 7 incidents in total) of palpitations from drinking Monavie. We can only assume that you purposely lied about this to prevent people from knowing that the reports exist. What words should we use to describe your behavior? Dishonest? Deceitful? Immoral? Hera are a few excerpts from those reports.

“Please be careful with this product... a friend had a heart incident linked to Monavie. He started taking it in February and about 3 weeks later was in the ER with heart problems. He kind of limped along for a few months then in April he was in intensive care with an apparent heart attack. They couldn't regulate his heart and it was touch and go for a while. They linked it directly to the Monavie.” [Posted by mccarroll July 2007]

“i have had heart palpitations/racing heart as well. i'm 29 and in good health. i've been taking mona vie for ab 11 months and started noticing the palpitations once i started the Active after i stopped breastfeeding. i've had no other changes in my diet. i went out of town last weekend and didn't take mona vie for four days and didn't have any palpitaions. when i came back home and resumed the juice, they started back up again. has anyone else experienced this?" [Posted by codijewelrygirl Jul 21, 2008]

“I just have to add that I was on mona vie for only a short three days and it made me go crazy inside. I was filled with anxiety and my heart rate was 120-130 just walking around the house. I had to think real hard to what it might be...and I thought maybe the mona vie... I stopped drinking it and it totally went away. I believe there is a connection…” [Posted by stacybrevin Feb 9, 2009]

“I tried Monavie and I have had heart palpitations, I asked the gentleman who gave it to me if it had any stimulant in it and he said no…I have three friends who have had the same experience with the heart palpitations…there should be precautions on the bottle stating that it might cause heart palpitations…For this to happen to 3 people in my sphere of influence is not coincidental. I know, if you are a distributor for the product you don't want anyone bashing your product, but we need to be concerned about the community at large not just our own experience or pocket.” [Posted by dlynne Apr 30, 2009]

"I just took Monavie today for the first time and I am experiencing heart palpitations. I found this site while checking the internet for Monavie side effects. I feel like I am on some kind of ‘upper’ or something because I'm feeling a bit high strung or tense as well. Kind of like I've had too much coffee. I tried to sleep but the palpitations kept me awake and I'm concerned. I certainly won't be taking this tomorrow…" [Posted by kathy123 Sep 1, 2009]

"I drank MonaVie for several months. Did my pain go away?... No...Mainly, I could NOT sleep!... It kept me up at night no matter how I consumed it; morning or night..." [Posted by Ohbother Jul 13, 2008]

ITBH said: He blatantly misinforms us that most soft drink companies have widely stopped incorporating (CF-did I spell that right?!?!) Sodium Benzoate into their sodas.

Blatantly misinform??? What I said verbatim was that benzoate “has been widely phased out by soft drink manufacturers (it is not used in other brands of fruit juice”.

I am assuming that you can read, so please notice that the title of this newspaper article is “Coca-Cola to phase out use of controversial additive after DNA damage claim”
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/cocacola-to-phase-out-use-of-controversial-additive-after-dna-damage-claim-834021.html

…then there is this newspaper article entitled “Coca-cola to phase out controversial chemical linked to hyperactivity and gene damage.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1021809/Coca-cola-phase-controversial-chemical-linked-hyperactivity-gene-damage.html#ixzz0gqKEc87T

Your comments prove once again that you are a either a shameless liar or a tremendous dolt. But even if every soft drink contained sodium benzoate, is that really the benchmark you would choose for comparing Monavie? A 75-cent can of soda vs. a $45 bottle of fruit juice concentrates? Most people would probably agree that this in fact the price category in which Monavie should belong. Like I said before, you won’t find benzoate in ANY other pure fruit juice beverages, regardless of cost.

ITBH said: “Actually, I always wondered why you taste some bitterness when slugging a Coke or Pepsi. Now I know why...it's the preservative they use.”

It must be remnants from the vile aftertaste of Mona-puke, because neither Coke nor Pepsi contain benzoate.
www.thecoca-colacompany.com/us_nutrition.html
www.pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php

Now if you had said “Diet Coke” or “Diet Pepsi”, you might have had a point, because those versions of the product still contain potassium benzoate. But again, if these are the best examples you can find of beverages that contain benzoate, you aren’t making a case for Monavie; you are making a case against it. The only beverages in which benzoate is used are cheap unhealthy products like diet sodas -- and overpriced fraud tonics like Monavie.

Yes, monamuck is a cult. It's based on faith, with proponents citing all sorts of claims, with not so much as a tiny bit of actual independent peer-reviewed research to backup the wild claims. In fact, much research has been done on juice, fruit and veggies over many decades and as Food Tech and others have continually pointed out, there's nothing special about this fruit juice and it is inferior to many juices available.

People desperate to sell this stuff have to depend on junk science and slight of hand to confuse those who are not scientists or technicians or who are gullible or as is the case of Climategate, demanding that the debate is over, the science is settled and anyone who's not a world's top scientist can't possibly have any credence to object to what the Al Gores of the world are trying to force down everyone's throat. Charlatans abound and it's always based on faith. According to monamuck peddlers, we have to believe in this based on faith of some kind, for they have nothing else to base all the wild claims on. It's not a true religion, but it's true religiosity and cultish.

So what if it has an astronomical cost? So what if there's absolutely no proof to any claims? Please, also disregard that guy behind the curtain-pulling levers and scaring everyone. The fact that not many can afford what the chicken littles bloviate and dictate to all the little people, that the silver bullet claims are totally unfounded-that people are really at the core of what is evil in the world-everyone must come on board or even be forced one way or to submit. We must all save the earth(no matter that economies, both personal and national are sacrificed to such noble causes) and anyone who isn't on board just has to be a simple-minded, knuckle-dragging, low-browed cave dweller.

Of course, as with specious claims of man-made global warming, using their best sophistry, without the slightest true science as proof, the same thing is being done here and with many useless products in the supplement industry-finally science does trump the wild claims. People don't like being scammed at any level or in any way. Scientists who believe in objectivity and anyone else who doesn't desire to base their lives on all sorts of different hypotheses totally on faith alone, begin to smell the roses or what stinks.

Who cares about a stupid juice making people poorer, who cares about the people scammed by the Al Gore hucksters? The proponents of these scams claim it's all about making their (victims) lives better, but all the while are quietly fleecing others to pad their wallets. Yes, let's save the poor people who don't really need to be saved by the likes of those who claim to be on to some kind of silver bullet. Don't worry that none of this is based on anything other than pure speculation, feel-goodism's and scary forecasts and scary "if you don't drink this you're doomed and of course slightly inferior" scenarios.

Irv and Food Tech are the same person! This is an easy one to figure out....

Regarding the Potassium Benzoate ITBH is commenting on in Coke. This preservative is not found in Coke, however, it is in Diet Coke.

Some may wonder why Diet Coke, but not Coke?

Diet Coke contains aspartame. Aspartame is affected by carbon dioxide. The level of CO2 must be reduced in Diet Coke so as not to affect the aspartame. This is why Diet Coke is darker than regular Coke. Less CO2.

The CO2 is what destroys the microorganisms in regular Coke.

Reducing the CO2 allows these microbes to grow. The benzoate is added as a preservative.

There are some products that still contain benzoic acid (with sodium or potassium), but as Irv has pointed out, they are on the decline.

MonaVie could and should be in that class, if they would put a little more effort in proper product formulation.

Just a question folks: I just received a bottle from a friend and opened it. (after shaking, of course). Is the juice supposed to contain this slimey sludgy stuff floating around in it? It looks kinda gross. I'm afraid to drink it. Is that part of the juice, or did I get a bad batch?

It is juice people! Certified organic, high in orec value, and vitamins. Do YOU eat all the antioxident providing fruits daily? Doubtful. Instead of taking a pill suppliment, here is a juice with the actual fruits in it. That's all. There are no claims of miracles. If a miracle happens based on drinking the juice, great. But the vast majority of those drinking the juice are just that..drinking the juice that they know is keeping them healthy. Most don't sign up with dreams of becoming millionaries. But I know many of them who have and are making great money. There is a place for everyone. And while you are out here with these crazy conspirecy theories, I am going to go drink my juice.

I just sat through a MV tasting... 10 minutes about the juice... 2 HOURS ABOUT THE BUISNESS!! Someone is getting super rich using this pyramid... I mean star "tree".
The Host made one stupid point, " MonAvie made 3 billion dollars in the first 3 years, compare that to Gatorade, it took Gatorade years to come up with those numbers". I then piped up and said " Well lady, if Gatorade was about 50 bucks a bottle, they probably would have made that much in about half a year!!". She didn't like my comment.
At the end of the tasting, I decided I wanted to buy a case of juice. NOBODY WOULD SELL ME ANY JUICE WITHOUT BECOMING A STAR PERSON??!!! I still haven't gotten any juice.

ASTA wrote: "Something wrong here, Irv, you said "worthless grape juice" then you said "consumers having heart palpitations" from " worthless grape juice ? How can that be? If it's "worthless" it would cause nothing."

**?? Is this one a joke? Worthless means "of no value." Are you saying that a fruit punch that gives a person heart palpitations is of some value? What an odd interpretation.

ITBH wrote: "here you go, smart guy. Enjoy reading the senate report that has brought these "accusations" to light..."

**Irv lays out 23 excellent points that document why MonaVie is nothing more than nonsense. ITBH's response? a link to h1N1 vaccinations. Is that the best you have? How does that counter any of Irv's points?

You're embarrassing yourself now.

ITBH writes: "by the way, I don't sell M-vie. And just bcuz I cannot prove how potent (or not potent) it is, I still believe it to be a quality nutritional supplement. Folks can spend thousands of dollars on medz that NEVER will cure them..yet you guys go on and on about spending $ 5 per day to assist in maintaining one's health."

**Of course you don't sell it. You're just an unbiased reader, who happened upon this site.

Are you suggesting that MonaVie can replace any medicines? Because, in doing so, you are suggesting that it can treat or cure an affliction. Clearly, an illegal, immoral, and ridiculous statement.

If you are saying that MonaVie is a good source of phytonutrients, then you are incorrect about that as well.

The study by Dr. Schauss, as compared to simple produce listed on the USDA ORAC Table of Selected Foods, leaves little doubt that MonaVie is nothing more than a simple fruit punch. At $5.00 a day, it is one of the worst deals on the market.

Please, go right on throwing your money away. This site is geared more to the rational thinker, who is interested in either documenting or debunking the statements that MonaVie distributors continually make.

"A short time later, someone introduced me to MonaVie Active, and I began drinking one ounce, twice a day. Just two days later, I found myself with enough energy that I no longer needed the morning nap that had been essential for a long time. During my first week with MonaVie and off the medications, I still had a few, mild episodes of heart palpitations–irregular heartbeat. Since that time, now two months later, there have been NO recurrences.

This is the "SEVERAL PEOPLE" that Irvt*ard is referring to. One blog on Monavieland. As anyone with half a brain can surmise..the MONAVIE consumption by this person helped ALLEVIATE the heart palpitations--not caused them. IRV-do you know no shame the nonsense you blog as being fact. We all know you are shameless.

Let's delve a little into another curveball Irvt*rd tried to slide by y'all. He blatantly misinforms us that most soft drink companies have widely stopped incorporating (CF-did I spell that right?!?!) Sodium Benzoate into their sodas. Yeah-Ok--and the moon is made of green cheese. What Coca Cola actually did was begin to utilize Potassium Benzoate instead (a slight variation from SB- still dangerous preservative if combined with Vitamin C-creates benzene). They did this because they were under pressure to do so.

Newsflash to Irv: If companies remove preservatives from their products, MOLD & YEAST & other bad things will thrive...which in turn leads to SPOILAGE..and that's bad for the old bottom line. It's all about shelf life. Here's the best part...look on the label of any COKE product--they claim that Potassium Benzoate is in the product to "PROTECT THE TASTE." That's so nice of them to tell us this. Actually, I always wondered why you taste some bitterness when slugging a Coke or Pepsi. Now I know why...it's the preservative they use. {sidenote to all you soda drinkers out there: the more you drink, the more you are exposed to this potential cancer causing agent...combined with the HighFructose Corn Syrup and/or sugar substitutes--you are doing your bodies a world of metabolic hurt).

So, nice job Irv-- you are indirectly telling people it's AOK to slug down all the harmful, non-nutritious soda they want...that it's not dangerous anymore, because the preservatives have been removed...QUITE THE LIE ...but stay away from that awful Monavie purple sludge - it's still got the SB in it. Please note:All wines need preservatives to protect from fermentation/mold/yeast. Monavie is no different. By the way, your good 'ol FDA says SB is safe in very small amounts. Should we all stop drinking wine, too? Idiot.

ITBH

Carol W said: “Irv, you said, "These are the facts" Are they? Or are they your opinions? In your number one "so-called facts" you stated; Monavie is low in antioxidants; it has been shown to have a low ORAC score and to have low levels of phytonutrients (e.g. anthocyanins, proanthocyanadins, polyphenols) relative to other common fruits and fruit juices. Then you state; several consumers have reported having heart palpitations after drinking Monavie. And you believe this how? You just stated this couldn’t be true with your so-called fact number one. Gottcha!!! Checkmate”

This is a good example of why you distributors are being judged so harshly. Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. One can only assume that you really don’t understand even the most basic concepts being discussed here or that you are purposely trying to obfuscate very basic, inarguable facts.

Monavie is low in antioxidants. That is a FACT and not an opinion. The juice has an ORAC score of 22 units/mL – this was demonstrated by research that Monavie sponsored, which was conducted by their “scientific advisor” Alexander Schauss (see Table 1 p.8329).
pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/jf8016157

Food Tech has repeatedly provided evidence from the USDAs database to show that Monavie’s ORAC score (a measure of antioxidant capacity) is lower than that of many other common fruits and juices. He’s done the same with respect to Monavie’s anemic polyphenol levels.
www.ars.usda.gov/sp2userfiles/place/12354500/data/orac/orac07.pdf

This is really not a difficult concept to grasp. It’s simply a basic question of whether one number is more as or less than another number. Surely that’s not too difficult an exercise for you.

Men’s Journal’s analysis (conducted by Chromadex, a well-respected contract laboratory) provided further evidence – they pointed out that Monavie’s antioxidant levels (polyphenol and anthocyanins) were lower than those of ordinary apple and grape juice.
www.mensjournal.com/superjuices-on-trial

With respect to my comment about the reports of heart palpitations, that is a fact too. People are reporting such adverse effects from Monavie. On one breast cancer patient support website, there were 6 individual reports of heart palpitations after drinking Monavie (you might also want to question why so Monavie distributors were spamming that breast cancer website with sales pitches).
community.breastcancer.org/forum/86/topic/661606

You seem to be drawing some kind of faulty conclusion that if Monavie is low in antioxidants, it cannot possibly cause heart palpitations. If so, your underlying logic is flawed. Monavie’s antioxidant capacity and its ability to cause heart palpitations are unrelated, as antioxidants are not known to cause such effects. The adverse effects could be caused by sodium benzoate or by some unidentified additive, adulterant, or contaminant. Given the company’s tainted record with respect to fraudulent conduct, they shouldn’t be trusted to manufacture or sell a product for human consumption; they simply are too dishonest and unreliable. They have squandered the public’s trust on too many occasions.

Whether these reports of palpitations are true and whether Monavie is definitely the causative agent is impossible to tell at this point; however, these reports carry every bit as much weight as any of the anonymous reports of positive health benefits being posted by distributors on this forum (and as a distributor, you should be extremely concerned about the possibility that your nutritionally-anemic juice may be harming people). You cannot reasonably expect people to give merit to positive testimonials while ignoring negative testimonials. So which is it? Will you stop exhorting people to trust ALL anonymous testimonials, or will you tell them that all anonymous testimonials are reliable, and that, therefore, they should believe that Monavie causes heart palpitations?

Also notice that I posted 23 FACTS that attest to the fraudulent nature of the Monavie operation. You can’t even discredit a single one of those facts, let alone all 23, so it’s obviously time for you to concede this argument. In fact, this argument should have been conceded long ago but instead we have had to continually argue with the sociopaths, morons, thugs, and thieves who sell this product and insist on trying to obscure the truth with the vitriolic nonsensical attacks.

Dear "M"
Yes, you are right, everyone is entitled to share their experience and I don't agree with the name calling on either side. Although, I do have to agree when all the MVers can say is "don't listen to IRVTARD or FOOL TECH and just TRY it", I want to laugh. Wow, that is a compelling argument when faced with all of the facts. My guess is you are quite high up with MV (Black Diamond?) and this site is soooo not good for business, am I right? I know I have been "sharing" all of the hard facts I have learned on this site with all of my friends, families and colleagues. I am particularly interested in pointing out the articles written in Newsweek & the Men's Journal, as well as the awesome rating at the BBB of "d-" or "f" (depending on which week you ask them). Geez, even Oprah is pissed at you people.

You say "I guess what we love is the fact that the people we have shared this with have also ween (sic) incredible results. Both physically and financially. The meetings we go to make us feel good as we are surrounded by positive people.". Do you know how many people are angry with you for selling them a product under false pretenses? Are you really revealing your WHOLE experience? I will tell you, ALL of the people that purchased from me have stopped taking it and are not all that happy that they spent their hard earned money on it. At least be honest when you are talking about your whole experience.

I must say, if I hear "positive" or "choose life" one more time, I am liable to start doing some name calling myself. You imply that by NOT peddling/drinking the juice, you live your life negatively and you are "choosing death". How dare you (and I mean a collective "you" not just you "M"). You have no right to pass on judgements like that to me, or anyone else. To say that I am not a positive person or that I hang out with negative people because I don't "drink the kool-aid" is ridiculous and feeds into the "cult think".

Dear 'M'. I would love to hear your response to the 23 facts laid out by Irv. Indulge us. I think the strongest argument so far is "how can it cause heart palpitations" and have a Low ORAC score?" Since MVs own studies have shown it to be low in antioxidants, I am not sure there is a valid argument here?

Humiliated

Every claim about the product has been debunked -- it is essentially worthless grape juice.
Posted by Irv February 25, 2010 3:56 AM

Several consumers have reported having heart palpitations after drinking Monavie.
Posted by Irv February 26, 2010 5:50 AM

Something wrong here, Irv, you said "worthless grape juice" then you said "consumers having heart palpitations" from " worthless grape juice ? How can that be? If it's "worthless" it would cause nothing.

In your own words Irv.
Instead you just keep acting like a dishonest ambulance-chasing con artist.
Guess what? No one trusts you and no one should trust you. You can only get away with telling lies for so long before the public turns on you. At this point, you should just be apologizing. WELL ???

irv - i checked some of your 23 facts. all 100% accurate! thank you.

i'm taking your points + my proofs to a close relative who's money & time are being sucked up at a rapid rate by this b.s.

Irv, you said, "These are the facts" Are they? Or are they your opinions? In your number one "so-called facts" you stated; Monavie is low in antioxidants; it has been shown to have a low ORAC score and to have low levels of phytonutrients (e.g. anthocyanins, proanthocyanadins, polyphenols) relative to other common fruits and fruit juices.

Then you state; several consumers have reported having heart palpitations after drinking Monavie. And you believe this how? You just stated this couldn’t be true with your so-called fact number one.

Gottcha!!! Checkmate

I disengagued from this blog for a while and I see the same pathetic weasels defending this putrified sludge and totuting it as "the miracle elixer" well if you can believe in it then the placebo effect should do the trick otherwise save your $$.

"I went to the doctor about a month ago with serious joint pain. He suggested I try Monavie, and within a few days the pain was gone. This stuff is awesome and works!!!"

LOL - You left out the part about your doctor being a Monavie distributor and how he then sold you a bottle of over-priced fruit juice.

Ok...i completely understand everyone getting so defensive when other people criticize their experience..or intelligence level for that matter.

I am a distributer so I am only speaking from my personal experience (since we all do have our own:-)

Entering this as a skeptic, I entertained it anyways in support of my brother and also because I felt like crap all the time. Aches, pains, amongst some other things.

Never dreaming my husband would even consider taking MV...he did and the results are unbelievable. He is a truck driver and as a trucker there is not much available as far as nutrition for these guys...Their diet, bodies, sleep patterns etc... are pretty messed up.

Both of us feel so much better. So we decided to share this product. The more you put in to this... the more you get out or it, so if you think you are going to sit on your ass, but make a million, than you are probably one of the people writing the very mean posts about this being a scam.

I guess what we love is the fact that the people we have shared this with have also ween incredible results. Both physically and financially. The meetings we go to make us feel good as we are surrounded by positive people.

We are making extra money, but we also get a lot more from MV than that, and that is the whole point to this company. If you do not attend any meetings.. only read scam sites...then you are really missing out on something really special. But to each to own..

It is too bad some of you have had such negative experiences with this company, but not everyone does, so don't be venom.

No one forced you into anything. You made a decision, just like a grown up does. You may not like it, but thats ok. Leave it at that.

Anyways, just some food for thought,

take care..

www.naturalnews.com/028233_GlaxoSmithKline_Avandia.html

here you go, smart guy. Enjoy reading the senate report that has brought these "accusations" to light...but by all means keep the insults coming--anything to feed that massive super-sized ego of yours...maybe you can send me a dictionary while you're at it (since I need it so bad). Ever considered teaching English? Seriously, I could give a BrownSmelly lincoln log based on anything you say (or anything the blowh*rd says). You know what they say about opinions and asses...

by the way, I don't sell M-vie. And just bcuz I cannot prove how potent (or not potent) it is, I still believe it to be a quality nutritional supplement. Folks can spend thousands of dollars on medz that NEVER will cure them..yet you guys go on and on about spending $ 5 per day to assist in maintaining one's health. It's not enough anymore to eat sensibly and exercise. The benefits people have received with Monavie are R*E*A*L and clearly show this to be true.

One more thing, give the placebo argument a rest, Food Fake (a/k/a Anonymous). It's beyond ridiculous.

ITBH

Irvt*rd Bl*wh*rd said: “You are utterly naive. Go run along to your doctor and he'll prescribe you your own ritalin--you need it a lot more than I, slim. I open my eyes and I see what's going on. All you ever do is rant incessantly about inconsequential b*llsh*t.”

Quite the contrary. We keep talking about the facts and you keep trying to avoid them, preferring instead to rant about irrelevant nonsense like FDA/Big Pharma conspiracies.

These are the facts:

1. Monavie is low in antioxidants; it has been shown to have a low ORAC score and to have low levels of phytonutrients (e.g. anthocyanins, proanthocyanadins, polyphenols) relative to other common fruits and fruit juices.

2. Monavie’s label reveals that it has very little discernible nutritional value; with the exception of vitamin C, Monavie is a poor source of basic vitamins and minerals.

3. Monavie does not provide significant amounts of fiber, in contrast with real whole fruit.

4. Monavie contains sodium benzoate, a preservative that has been implicated as a potential neurotoxin/indirect carcinogen and has been widely phased out by soft drink manufacturers (it is not used in other brands of fruit juice).

5. Monavie costs $45 per bottle – by the ounce, this makes it 10 to 30 times more expensive than other juices (e.g., acai, pomegranate, cranberry, grape, prune etc.) even though it appears by all indications to be nutritionally inferior.

6. Monavie is advertised as an acai juice, but the amount of acai is not disclosed and inexpensive grape/apple juice concentrates are listed among the primary ingredients.

7. Monavie does not contain ANY recognized organic ingredients, despite fraudulent claims to the contrary. Other retail beverage manufacturers sell USDA-certified organic acai juice at a fraction of the cost of Monavie (about $5 vs. $40-$45 for Monavie).

8. Monavie is routinely advertised illegally for the prevention and treatment of medical conditions.

9. Monavie has never been demonstrated to provide ANY health benefits nor has it ever been shown to prevent or treat and medical condition.

10. Several consumers have reported having heart palpitations after drinking Monavie.

11. Several Monavie executives/key operatives have misrepresented their professional credentials (e.g., Alexander Schauss and Ralph Carson bought degrees from diploma mills, Jose Allongo bought the title of “physician of the year”, Paul Clayton is not an expert researcher from the University of Oxford).

12. Lou Niles, who pretended to be a doctor/cancer specialist while promoting Monavie as a cancer cure, was court-martialed and booted from the US National Guard for charges that included rape, indecent assault, and perjury. Long time distributor Phil Driscoll was convicted for tax evasion and served 1 year in prison. Veteran distributor Kevin Vokes was cited by the FDA for illegally marketing Monavie as a disease cure.

13. Dallin Larsen, the CEO of Monavie, was previously the vice-president of sales and marketing for Dynamic Essentials, which illegally marketed Royal Tongan Limu juice until being shut down and heavily fined by the FDA.

14. Income disclosure statements show that the chances of succeeding in Monavie are dismally low – roughly 90% of active distributors earn less than federal minimum wage; many of them post net losses or fail to break even.

15. Fresh bottles/cases of Monavie are being dumped at wholesale prices on EBay and Craigslist making it impossible for distributors to compete. The company has done little if anythwing to stop thsese sales and may tacitly condone them.

16. The primary aim of the executives of Monavie appears to be to swell the ranks of distributors so that they can be bled financially through the purchase of dubious “training” materials, “sales aids”, and event tickets (much of the so-called training appears solely designed to quell dissension and to keep distributors motivated to spend more of their own money).

17. The binary plan commission system is a dishonest method for avoiding paying distributors for roughly 50% of legitimate sales (i.e., new recruits are arbitrarily assigned to the upline distributors “strong leg” or "weak leg” but commissions are paid out only on purchases from the strong leg).

18. Numerous news outlets have written highly critical reviews of Monavie as a product and a business. These sources include (but are not limited to) Newsweek, Forbes, Men’s Journal, Palm Beach Post, and physician Andrew Weil.

19. Monavie currently has a D minus rating with the Better Business Bureau.

20. Imagenetix sued Monavie LLC for fraudulently claiming that Monavie juice products contained Celadrin. Monavie settled out of court and has now stopped making these claims.

21. Oprah Winfrey and Dr. Memhet Oz sued Monavie for fraudulently claiming that they endorsed the products. The case is currently pending.

22. Orrin and Laurie Woodward, Chris and Terri Brandy, and Tim and Amy Marks just lost a $25 million arbitration ruling to Amway.

23. Monavie executive Henry Marsh of Utah was one of the biggest individual financial supporters of the California ballot initiative to repeal same sex mariage rights (Prop 8).

Checkmate! You lose!

a lot of people on this blog asking why some of us are posting negatively about monavie; why should we care & don't we "have a life" etc.

well, a lot of us have (or have friends or relatives who have) put a lot of time and money into this very old scam and come away with absolutely nothing.

we're warning people considering getting involved and doing research/due diligence before hand, that there IS A DOWN SIDE to this thing. but then those doing a little research first are probably to intelligent to fall for this nonsense anyway.

I went to the doctor about a month ago with serious joint pain. He suggested I try Monavie, and within a few days the pain was gone. This stuff is awesome and works!!!

SBIT or ITBH,

I am definitely egocentric, my needs are paramount. If I do not take care of myself how can I take care of others? I think you meant that in a derogatory manner, I think that is an epic fail. I am not an idealist. I am quite practical and not that much of a visionary. (Buy a dictionary or use dictionary.com).

Ah, so Nancy has a better life than you, wow that must suck.

What references do you cite to make the claim that the H1N1 vaccine was a waste of money? There is also no “common everyday flu” there are many different flu viruses. All flu viruses are virulent (something virulent has a rapid course and violent effect-if you get the flu VIRUS you get sick, pretty easy concept), you really need a dictionary. You have very poor diction and consistently prove that my six year old son has a much better grasp of the English language than you.

So when I prove one example you state as wrong you try another one. Please research your rebuttals well, because I do and you have ALWAYS been wrong. The Avandia issue is all allegations; there has been no definite conclusion to the issues surrounding that case. You also have selective reading or poor comprehension skills. You must be a fine host at a tasting party.

Thank you for the “Egogenius” compliment, I do represent that statement. I actually think I am a point or two, IQ wise, from genius.

BigPharm discovering the effects of CoQ10 is not a claim of mine it is a FACT, I read about Folkers’ work at Merck, all you need to do is Google his name and you will see that I am right and you are, once again, a PROVEN idiot. Big Pharm does not NEED to sell you fish oils and CoQ10 they are found in food, so eat a well balanced diet and you do not need supplements, unless you have a DIAGNOSED ailment. Also, what do those two items have to do with MV? Neither is in MV.

Mel & Michelle,

What are you talking about? You both are very ignorant of life and why we are on this blog. We (and you should) care because people are being LIED to so that a very small few can become wealthy.

It’s quite telling that the Monavidiots refuse to discuss their product; in fact, they try their hardest to stifle discussion about the product and divert our attention to irrelevant issues like FDA conspiracies, fish oil, and McDonalds – none of which are even remotely relevant to the purpose of this discussion forum. Every claim about the product has been debunked -- it is essentially worthless grape juice; your sales pitch now rests solely on illegal claims of disease cures and empty statements like “well it works for me…trust me…just give me $45 and try it”. Guess what? No one trusts you and no one should trust you. You can only get away with telling lies for so long before the public turns on you. At this point, you should just be apologizing.

Thisis "humiliated". I really didn't want to get into this but I am truly frustrated with some of the responses to my posts.

To tell me to become a distributor, then I should let them know. I was a distributor. It didn't work out well for me. Maybe because Jesus wasn't watching out for me like he does the "Black Diamonds" out there.

Then there was "why do you have to look at who you are working for"? I don't know, I thought maybe...just maybe...if you knew that the people you were working for lied about just about everything else to do with the business, they just might be lying about the product itself, which has been shown to be the case?

Then there was some comment about this site being a grade school pissing contest. I can tell you that I posted my opinion because I truly could not afford the $140 a month I was spending on a product that was not worth anywhere near that. I have seen single parents get on MV and put their children on it spending hundreds of dollars a month, try incredibly hard to make a go of it and get nowhere. I don't give a hoot if you think this is a grade school pissing contest...I have a moral obligation to let people know my experience so that maybe they will spend their money in a more productive manner.

Then there was something about the fact that if you don't like MV you are NEGATIVE and who wants to be NEGATIVE and around NEGATIVE people. There is a huge difference between being negative and being truthful. MV hides behind tag phrases like "choose life" and "don't be around negative people" to keep you in line and pushing their product. That is why all devout MVers only hang out with other MVers and/or believers. Do you think that people that sell amazing vitamins or machines that keep people alive hang out together and chant "choose life".....or "God first, Monavie second, Family third"?? Think about it. Why do they need to keep you in line?

I went on this site to make sure that I hadn't made a mistake in going off of MV because I want to be healthy. I learned a lot more then I had expected to. That the doctors who go around and speak about MV don't have real credentials (Dr. Schauss particularly, with his "Phd" from a non-accredited "university" in California...and the owner of the "university" has been up on criminal charges several times). That Dallin Larsen has run a scheme exactly like this before and was shut down for fraud. But, above all, that the juice is, sadly,just a juice with very little nutritional content based on MV's own studies.

Whatever. Make your own choices but I feel very sorry for the people that truly believe that they are doing amazing things pushing this product. You are going to feel horrible about yourselves and what you have put your friends and families through, making them all "believers" (or maybe a lot of them have walked away from you already) when this Pyramid implodes, which it will as sales are way down due to all of the negative press.

You are utterly naive. Go run along to your doctor and he'll prescribe you your own ritalin--you need it a lot more than I, slim. I open my eyes and I see what's going on. All you ever do is rant incessantly about inconsequential b*llsh*t.

CF-- same goes for you. Your supersized ego impresses no one here. It's getting old, I have to tell you. Nancy is done posting bcuz she knows it's a waste of her time. She has better things to do than argue with an egocentric idealist like yourself.

I did like how you tried to diminish the appalling waste of $$ tied up in H1N1 vaccine. So, I guess it's OK with you that Big Pharma made millions to protect us from a flu strain that (turns out) wasn't nearly as virulent as the common everyday flu. That must mean you're OK with Glaxo covering up that Avandia caused heart attacks to people taking it for Diabetes. The FDA's own scientists confirmed this, yet nothing was done to pull this drug off the market?!?! Care to explain that one, Dr. Egogenius?!?! How 'bout you, Irvrant?

One other thing, If Big Pharma discovered CoQ10 and the benefits of fish oil/fatty acids, as you claim, then why don't they sell them to the public?!?! The answer is the same as in my last post...it is much less profitable for drug companies to offer us nutritional/wellness products that keep us healthy. Period. How you can scoff at that notion cracks me up.

Humiliated,

Your friends may have indeed felt less arthritic pain after taking MonaVie. However, I believe it was due to the placebo effect, rather than some exotic substance that alleviates pain.

Individuals who have experienced the placebo effect often have a higher level of endorphins that are produced by the brain. This is a common reaction to something that the brain perceives as a treatment, when in reality, the body is treating itself. The MonaVie had absolutely nothing to do with it, other than giving the individual a false sense of treatment.

Some people will say "so what, as long as the pain is better?" The problem is that the placebo effect is almost always a temporary condition. That's why many people report that they no longer get any benefit from drinking MonaVie.

So, they've ended up wasting a great deal of money on something with no real benefits.

Please read the following short article on the placebo effect and endorphins: www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/29624.php

The placebo effect will have no benefits to treating cancer, diabetes, and other chronic illness'

I just spent some time reading several of the posts and they are indeed negative and somewhat entertaining...however, in defense of this company from an outside perspective, why do people care so much about what the product claims to be or what it has done for people? Compare this to McDonalds "I'm Loving It" with all their cups plastered with Olympic athletes on it and 100% beef on the wrapper...do people care what is in this McDonalds foods? I highly doubt that any Olympic athlete would be caught dead eating that food yet they are on their cups etc...so what really is the message here? I think from reading a lot of the posts that people feel like they are being lied to or have a fear of the networking or mlm industry not really the fruit juice product that they are selling. Who cares what is in it or if it pays people large amounts of money...how much do you think the founders of McDonald's make each week on residual income? Bottom line if people believe in the product or they like the taste or perhaps they enjoy the "effects" whether real or placebo ...let them be. Also, if you were invited to invest in a company whether it be Monavie, McDonalds, GM by your friend and it worked out would you think they were just trying to line their own pockets? You cannot predict the future and if people believe something is a great opportunity great...it is the consumers of the products that ultimatly make the company a success or not. I guess what I am trying to say is that instead of everyone arguing about Monavie and MLM scams etc...focus on what you like and invest in what interests you. Nothing in life is a sure thing especially when it comes to business but when it does work out it is wonderful so do not hate your friends for buying into something they enjoy. Turn the mirror around and think about the last meal you had- did you care if it cured Cancer or if it made someone else a paycheque? I'm guessing not. To everyone on this forum...life is short, be happy ;)

You guys have no idea what you're talking about! I've seen first hand results. Not only from drinking Mona Vie, but also from being a Mona Vie distributor. So try being a distributor, then let me know how that goes =]

...and another thing: if you already have a life, and just want to drink the juice, you can get the exact same thing for half as much (or less!) at a big box, discount store warehouse chain that's all over the place then the "authorized MV distributors" will charge you.

and we all know what big box store chain i'm talking about...

Its really kind of funny- this grade school p*ssing contest that you appear to be involved in. Who are you trying to convince and why do you care? Be true to your own beliefs, live your life and don't sweat the small stuff - which by the way- there's A LOT of small stuff here - written by seemingly very small minded people. Cheers!

cures everything from lumbago to melancholia! great for gout or grout! kicka poo joy juice! why, you'll even become a millionaire! there is no downside!

went to a "tasting", "pouring" or what ever they call the medicine show nonsense.

if the clames made for this juice made from magic berries from south america were real, we'd have known about it long ago & it would be main stream, not a pyramid marketing scheme.

almost forgot - save the little childern in a poor country. Amy McPherson radio days pitch. this is all really old stuff.

mark,
I feel sorry for you that your body has to lug around that thick head of yours. You should really try some electro shock to jump start that melon. Food tech from the best of my knowledge is only giving you facts from basic studies, he or she also in a lot of cases gives you the source of where the study was conducted and you can very easily look it up yourself.

Everybody gets so worked up!
It's hard to deny evidence in my own life and the lives of people around me. The people that this stuff has helped is invaluable.
Leave it up to somebody to be negative and always try to rain on somebodys parade. If you are looking for the truth about MONA VIE you have to try it yourself. You have to look into who the owners are and their heart.
DON'T LISTEN TO ALL THE NEGATIVITY! WHO WANTS TO BE AROUND SOMEBODY WHO ALWAYS COMPLAINS AND TRIES TO DISCREDIT EVERY GOOD THING OUT THERE.
I tried it for myself and enjoy it and I refuse to let somebody who probably doesn't know half of what they are saying ruin that.

YOU ARE WHO YOU RUN WITH! CHOOSE LIFE!

Ok. First off,let's get something straight, I WISH I were as bright as Irv/Food Tech or whomever you are accusing me of hiding under the "nom de plume" of. In fact, I take it as a compliment. Unfortunately, science and nutrition were not my forte in university. You know, I honestly started thinking that maybe it was the same people posting over & over again. But I know, as does Food tech or whomever, that we are different people. That is all I need to know.

Secondly, I have yet to see ANYONE on this site try to sell another product in place of MV. I agree, I would be very suspicious if that were the case. In addition, the only thing that Food Tech can be accused of doing is having to repeat him/herself over & over again with respect to the nutritional content (or lack thereof) of Monavie. I have seen other sites where they slam MV and push some other ridiculous juice.

I have to say, Food Tech, that I did witness some individuals have a huge reduction in their pain levels (arthritis) so I can't deny that doesn't occur. I understand that there is some natural inflammatory in the MV that reduces joint pain, I thought it was Glucosomine but I saw another post saying it was something else. Can you tell me what it is
again?

Let me be clear, I drank the juice for the alleged HEALTH benefits and was told I would need nothing else to supplement the juice. I really felt no effects, but truly wanted to. I was told it was chock full of Omegas, anti-oxidants etc. And ITBH...are you kidding me??? Of course I want to do things naturally and that is what I believed I was doing, until I was faced with the indisputable facts. Who DOESN'T want to be healthy naturally? That was the whole point of my paying the ridiculous amounts of money I paid and taking this godforsaken juice. This is so frustrating because you are not listening! I have since been to the naturopath and been given truly organic, healthy, and tested health supplements. Admittedly, they aren't cheap either but they will ACTUALLY give me the vitamins and nutrients my naturopath says they will, and this time I read the bottle! (mea culpa!)

Finally, I AM angry because I thought I was an intelligent person and I got completely duped. I am more angry with myself then with any of you. You can all live your lives any way you choose, just please, educate yourselves on who and what you are dealing with/selling and REALLY try to be objective about it. That is all anyone can ask.

Hi y'all I see FOOD TECH'S FARM REPORT is comparing rasins to Monavie. Sweet'ms you must love my figure? Why y' all know 1 oz. of raisins is 90 calories. ! oz. of Movavie is only 20 calories. Sugar, y'all lose. Say,sugar how y'all drink them raisins?

Mark,

I think you got things backwards, Food Tech quotes reliable information from MonaVies own Dr Schauss and the USDA. After all this time you have yet to give us one piece of information as to why Monavie is good for you. Unless you can give us some pertinent reasons why Monavie is not a huge fraud I think you should work on your you-tube movie like BJ. You are the joke.

Mark, are you sure? Food Tech answers his own posts? You're telling us Food Tech, is on both PH and LM is really Irv on PH is the same Vogel on LM? Is that possible?

why.......it's brilliant.

Food Tech is paid big money for his research working on prolonging the shelf life of tortillas. Only one problem, the Mexicans have all ready did it for less, they eat them the same day.

ITBH,
Speaking of Big Pharma and medications, it seems as though you have missed a few days worth of your own phsyco meds.

I've read all the postings and there seems to be a fair balance of the pros and cons for monovie use, and so I pose the following for any comments. My background is that I have not only experienced illness myself, but I have also been an RN for 25 yrs...

Over the past 2 yrs. I have experienced a chronic liver inflammation of unknown cause. I have had the gamut of diagnostics to attempt to identify the source of the inflammation. (CT scans, ultrasounds, bloodwork, liver biopsy, colonoscopy, exploratory surgery) Despite the diagnostics, no cause of the liver inflammation could be identified and the inflammation could not controlled. At the acutest phase of my illness, I was admitted to ICU with acute liver failure with hepatic encephalopathy. It seemed a liver transplant was my only hope... if I lived long enough to receive one. However, after my discharge from ICU, I gave all my attention to reducing the inflammation in my liver using non-medicinal means such as diet, fluid intake, activity in moderation and spiritual/emotional coping measures. Slowly, over the next year, the inflammation resolved, the pain lessened and my weight loss slowly turned around. I used NO proprietary products (such as Monovie) during this time. I amazed my doctors and recovered, not needing a liver transplant.

However, I continue to intermittently experience periodic liver inflammation with it's associated symptoms of pain, wt. loss, diahrrea and bloody stools. During these periods of inflammation my goal is to control the inflammation and prevent it from spiraling toward full blown acute liver failure... again.

It was during a recent period of this type of chronic inflammation that a family friend offered me monovie as the cure-all for my condition, as it had "cured" his prostate cancer. He had no scientific data to support the claims he made, other than his experience and the monovie brochures that accompanied the bottle he gave me. Since the literature was very non-specific about the percentages of the various juices contained in monovie, and nothing seemed specificly addressed to reducing inflammation, I was skeptical. I told him so.

His response was to refer me to a local physician who would "look at my most recent labs and would be able to tell me if I would benefit from monovie." Had I been a lay-person with no knowledge of diagnostic testing, I might have been impressed and eagerly forwarded my labs to said physician and then followed his "medical recommendations".

However, being an RN for 25 yrs, I knew better. I knew that my most recent diagnostic labs could give no medical indication of my need for monovie. I knew this was a fraudulent claim, however the distributor that made the suggestion claimed no knowledge of medicine, just that "it worked for him"... and he referred me to this specific MD who could give me the "medical endorsement" that I sought.

Needless to say, I won't be seeking the "medical advice" of the physician that was recommended, and will continue to manage my chronic liver "flare-ups" without monovie, as I have done successfully for the past year.

In making my decision to NOT use monovie, it is based on my medical background of 25 years that has noted the following concerns:

After having done more of my own research on Monovie's business practices, I see it is not uncommon for distributors to make grand, unsubstantiated claims and yet Monovie remains without liability, because it is the *distributors* making the claims, not *Monovie*, the corporation. I believe it was fraudulent that I was offered a "doctor's opinion" to encourage me to try using monovie.

I can find no substantiated medical clinical trials or documented research on the physiological affects of monvie. ANY reputable "proprietary juice blends" that make health claims of any kind, should be supported by clinically measurable data.

It is imperative that you know as much as you can know, about what you are taking into your body. What percentages of the various fruits are in the monovie elixer? Is it 80% Acai or is it 8%? I have been unable to obtain this information and that concerns me.

If you are viewing this site because you are skeptical about monovie, I applaud you for your efforts to seek out more information about this product.

I may be wrong about monovie, but my medical intuition tells me that there's a basis for skepticism about this product.

Monavie is a good product all that drink it. But I think average person cannot afford to purchase it at $120/month in this economy. I have tried several acai berry products over the years, some good, some not. I finally found a acai berry product that I'm very satisfied with, it delivers and is really affordable for anybody. This acai berry product is better in my opinion and won't break you pockets and they let try it risk free for 30 days. http://bestacaisupplement.info

SBIT or ITBH (et al),

If you, among others, reread what Irv wrote you would notice he said that people (including children) are being convinced (read conned) that MV will REPLACE medication – it cannot. He never said that MV will harm anyone, distributors with false claims do.

The response about the FDA is a classic because it is 100% TRUE. People wrongly believe that the FDA & “BIG PHARMA” are in business to keep us sick. I personally believe that there will never be a cure for cancer because there is no money in curing cancer, there is money in researching a cure. That being said, remember that guy named Salk – I think he helped a few people not have polio. Also, MANY illnesses have been eradicated or at least kept manageable due to “big Pharma” and the FDA, so you are pretty naïve to think that they don’t do anything to help people.

Who discovered that fish oils and co-enzymes help your body? I do not think that it was nutritional beverage companies or MLM. I think a small chemical company – called Merck – DR Folkers and friends in case you think I am as ignorant as you - discovered (or helped) the necessity of COQ10. Why would you take it if “BIG PHARMA (oooooooooo - spooky!)” said it was good for you?

For the record H1N1 has killed about 500 people in the US alone, you may want to get your facts straight before you post them on here. cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5834a1.htm

Also, look up the definition of a pandemic. You really are stupid.

It is not possible for us all to be healthy. If there were no medicines we would all live to be the ripe old age of about 40, do some research.

I want to go on record that I believe FT and Irv. They thoroughly research prior to posting. Irv and FT are definitely two different people. Irv gets rather heated and you can read that in his posts. FT stays very mellow.

It's just a rip-off, bottom line. Just as simple as that.

ITBH said: “Open your eyes, Irvtard. Do some research...check into how Big Pharma wants to medicate all children no matter what the affliction--check into how some of the drugs these kids are prescribed are leading to higher suicide rates. While you're at it--why don't you check into Senator Grassley's inquiries as to why billions of taxpayer dollars have been needlessly wasted on a stockpile of H1N1 vaccines that no one needs (to treat a "pandemic" outbreak that has barely killed 200 people). What gets me is the side effects people are suffering with from getting vaccinated. Your FDA, Irvie, hard at work protecting us.....on the take.”

WTF does any of this have to do with Monavie? Nothing! You just sound like a raving lunatic. Take your Ritalin and FOCUS!

ITBH said: “I could go on and on. It's not hard to see how ridiculous IRV sounds if one looks at the big picture. He bashes Monavie like it's killing people...yet he supports a government that could care less if we are healthy or not...

First, I never said that I support our government (but in fact, I do, as any good American would). Secondly, you don’t??? You are a conspiracy theorist AND you are against the US government? Once again, you aren’t doing Monavie any favors by acting like a paranoid anarchist.

ITBH said: “truth be told, it's a lot more profitable for the Big Pharma govt. if we are all sick. No one makes $$$ if we are healthy...think about it.”

I thought about. I think you’re utterly ridiculous.

Both my mom and I got Mona Vie for free from a close friend. We both noticed boosts in energy and had the best sleep of our lives . . . but until they do scientific research on this crap, I'm not spending a cent on it

It is very clear that the owner of this site is against Monavie and would love to see Monavie go under. Come on admin...you know I'm speaking the truth. What other juice company do you work for?

As I read this blog, I am so thankful that I'm not a MV distributor. The comments on this page show how difficult it would be truly excel.

As I see it, here are some of the challenges that any MV distributor would encounter:

* The average distributor is NOT a doctor or nutritional specialist. How in the world does one develop real credibility when testimonials (and apparently some studies) "go both ways?" Somebody like me (who is somewhat overweight and actually gets sick from time to time) would really, really have a tough time - unless I had "magical" results.

* The business model really seems to put great emphasis on personally "sharing" the product. This is fine, I suppose, for those who are skilled in that area, but most aren't. Regardless of whatever training we receive, it is really difficult to work "against" our personality type. "It is what it is."

* If somebody had a negative physical "reaction" to the product - whether real or perceived - I would feel sooooo badly.

* I like to think that I'm a creative person, but I don't see how one grows this business without personally handing out samples. This, of course, grows your upline's income - not yours. (Unless you have a sponsor who provides value to you by giving you some of their product...but I doubt that happens very often.)

* The initial monthly commitment can be perceived as expensive. If somebody with a tight budget doesn't see immediate benefit, then they're unlikely to stay "on board" long enough to even LEARN to turn a profit. At the same time, however, it is people with tight budgets who tend to be drawn to this type of business! Frankly it must be hard to find a good, profitable distributor.

* A free, weekly webinar or conference call is one thing, but I don't want to be traveling to any meetings or giving repeated presentations in hotels and living rooms.

I'm not here to tell people not to become a MV distributor, but these are some things that personally kept me from getting started. (I've been "approached" several times by several people I know, and I'm just not interested. So I reply "I am very happy with the company I represent, but perhaps this free training can help you with yours:

Most don't even look at it and continue to struggle. "It is what it is."

Keith Bless

So now you're sticking up for poor, sick and defenseless children - you must have read somewhere that kids are dropping in droves from the nutritional supplementation provided by Monavie . I guess I missed that headline. Funny, I haven't heard of one child ( or any adult, for that matter) that has gotten gravely sick and/or died from drinking Monavie. Would you care to provide some DATA that can support your latest braindead diatribe??

Oh, I forgot... you live in fantasyland. That would explain where you derive your insane, delusional thoughts. Only someone who lives with his head up his *ss can come up with this stuff. Your retort to Anonymous' accurate assertion of what goes on w/ the FDA and the drug lobby is CLASSIC.
"Resorting to such a ridiculous conspiracy theory reflects very poorly on Monavie." Yeah...a conspiracy alright. Open your eyes, Irvtard. Do some research...check into how Big Pharma wants to medicate all children no matter what the affliction--check into how some of the drugs these kids are prescribed are leading to higher suicide rates. While you're at it--why don't you check into Senator Grassley's inquiries as to why billions of taxpayer dollars have been needlessly wasted on a stockpile of H1N1 vaccines that no one needs (to treat a "pandemic" outbreak that has barely killed 200 people). What gets me is the side effects people are suffering with from getting vaccinated. Your FDA, Irvie, hard at work protecting us.....on the take.

I could go on and on. It's not hard to see how ridiculous IRV sounds if one looks at the big picture. He bashes Monavie like it's killing people...yet he supports a government that could care less if we are healthy or not... truth be told, it's a lot more profitable for the Big Pharma govt. if we are all sick. No one makes $$$ if we are healthy...think about it. All I can say is this: if Monavie was so terrible and did nothing for people ...no one would buy it. We know that's not the case, no matter what the moron/haters spew on this site!

Thankfully, some of us are wise enough to ignore these folks, while adding nutritional supplementation (like M-Vie, Fish Oil, CoQ10) to maintain our health.

ITBH

Folks, for those that are new here, I will just let you in on a little secret...Food Tech and Irv are the same person. Food Tech uses several other names to post here. He also does this on other blogs. Food Tech alway accuses other people by using other names, when he is truly the king of doing this. Irv, or should I say Food Tech has been ranting the same thing for over a year now. As you can see, very few if any take him seriously. Most here consider him a joke.

Did the group home that Nancy stays at in VA revoke her internet time? Maybe she finally realized that MV is not the miracle she hoped for. She was the craziest proponent of this crap and she seems to have disappeared. Maybe Isis died of malnutrition from only consuming plant products. I wish more fanatics of this product would have their computer time revoked at their respective state run facility.

Monavie Truth. Sorry, it wasn't me. Keep throwing those darts.

FOOD TECH'S FARM REPORT

Today we'll compare MonaVie against raisins.

ORAC: MonaVie: 22.81 umoles/ml.
Raisins: 30.37 umoles/gm.
TOTAL PHENOLICS (polyphenols):
MonaVie: 1.48 mg/ml.
Raisins: 10.65 mg/gm.

WINNER: RAISINS

MonaVie data provided by AIBMR Life Sciences (Dr. Schauss)
Raisin data from the USDA ORAC Table of Selected Foods - 2007

Any advice? My brother just joined the Monavie cult. How can I help him see it for what it is? He doesn't have that much money and they seem to be wringing it out of him at lightening speed. Not to mention that he's getting a warped concept of healthy nutrition and exercise.

Irv siad: "The real danger of this scam isn’t just that people get conned out of their hard earned money or that they got coerced into wasting time and money on a futile business with lottery-odds of success; it’s that people (children in particular) can be physically harmed by following the advice that’s being peddled by greedy, dishonest, and/or misinformed distributors."

Wow... so your saying that children will be harmed by drinking FRUIT? I wonder when the last time I heard that. Oh, I know. NEVER!

Mr. Food Tech, You're hoot. I may also be Paul Bunyan or maybe his famous blue ox "Babe" too. At least you're a copycat, you only post what others have done, never anything you could possibly claim. By the way are you an IFT member?

Humilated said: “I recommended this to people with children and I am just praying that those children were getting enough nutrients from other sources, and that their parents didn't listen to me!! For that, I despise you Mr. Larsen. I am all about free enterprise but not when you endanger the health of another human being, particularly a child. Then, you hide behind your statement that you can't possibly control what your distributors say/do. You secretly encourage their behaviour behind closed doors and you know it. What ever it takes for a sale. If there is a hell, I hope you burn in it.”

Well put. This is exactly why some of us are so vehement in our efforts to reveal the truth about Monavie. The real danger of this scam isn’t just that people get conned out of their hard earned money or that they got coerced into wasting time and money on a futile business with lottery-odds of success; it’s that people (children in particular) can be physically harmed by following the advice that’s being peddled by greedy, dishonest, and/or misinformed distributors. This scam makes a point of preying on those who are sick, desperate, and defenseless. And yes, for that, Dallin Larsen deserves to burn in hell; particularly since this isn’t even the first time he has run such a bogus medical-juice scam. He did the exact same thing with Royal Tongan Limu juice/Dynamic Essentials until the FDA shut them down.

Speaking of the FDA, here’s what some bonehead Monavie distributor said today:

Anonymous said: “The only people who don't want a cure for what ails all of use are the pharmacutical (sic) companies and there drug pushing lobyist's (sic). No politician or the FDA likes monavie can't get lobyist (sic) money out of monavie pushing distibuter (sic). That's the bottom line. I will assume all these anti Monavie rants are drug pushing lobbyists (sic) or you work for the FDA or are a politician worried about not getting your drug pushing lobbyist (sic) money. Yah we now who you are the pusher man. I have stopped taking my pills and drink monavie stop helping drug dealers drink Monavie.”

Resorting to such a ridiculous conspiracy theory reflects very poorly on Monavie. Is this the kind of crap that Dallin Larsen (aka Fagan, king of the pickpockets) teaches the other thieves-in-training at Monavie school? Do you not have even a vague inkling of how idiotic this sounds? You’re probably also unaware that the Better Business Bureau (who must also be in on the ‘conspiracy’ because they rated Monavie ‘D minus’) issued a specific warning against these types of conspiracy claims in a January 2005 article (before Monavie was even on the market) warning consumers about medical fraud. The article (which is actually linked to in the BBB’s report on Monavie) warned specifically against conspiracy-theorizing crackpots who try to rip people of with bogus products and misleading illegal claims.

Better Business Bureau said: “How can you tell if an advertising claim for a ‘miracle’ health-related product is likely to be phony, exaggerated, or unproven? The BBB, along with the Federal Trade Commission suggests you use caution if…The promoter claims the medical profession or research scientists have conspired to suppress the product…The advertisement includes undocumented case histories claiming amazing results...”
www.bbb.org/us/article/new-medical-miracles-not-so-miraculous-270

What’s your next move Anonymous? Are you going to tell us that the alleged conspiracy against your little peon Utah juice scam also involves unfair persecution by the BBB and FTC? What about all the news sources that condemned Monavie? They must be in on the conspiracy too right? It’s absolutely astonishing that in the face of all the evidence against Monavie, you would try to turn the tables and portray yourself as the victim and the critics of Monavie as greedy dishonest co-conspirators. Nothing could be farther from the truth and your shenanigans are painfully transparent to everyone. And who specifically are the politicians that you allege are conspiring against Monavie? If you are going to make such a profoundly stupid accusation, you might at least have the courage to provide a name; but of course vagary is your friend right? Monavie distributors all hide behind cowardly dishonest statements like this, never once having the decency to back up their comments with even a crumb of evidence or personal responsibility. It seems that no one at Monavie ever takes personal responsibility for any of the statements that are made about the product or the business opportunity.

To reiterate, you are selling overpriced grape juice as a miracle cure to sick and desperate people, and promising that others can get rich by emulating you. That puts you on par with a crack dealer. I’ll second what ‘Humiliated’ said above: you deserve to burn in hell for this.

Food Tech will go to any length and try to make himself look good. Now he is posting as humiliated. Food Tech, you are a sick and lonely man!

I understand mona vie has killed your children/raised jesus from the dead but can we avoid needless violent accusations? I don't understand why people need to angrily spout their poison reducing the legitamacy of the information here.

To all those MonaVie Dreamers,

Please don't buy into the bullshit you're fed every single time you go to seminars, webinars or conference calls. Don't fill the pockets of your uplines with your hard earned money, do not buy they inspirational material or training methods, they won't do nothing for you.

If you want to find inspiration, there are hundreds of free online sites you can refer to for inspirational material.

If you want to invest in a business, invest in a business that will give you money, not quite the contrary.

Some of these comments are absolutely hilarious! Definitely got a good laugh out of the people who still think this "miracle" juice works for them!!

My husband and I both tried MV for 2 months and felt NOTHING! No cleansing, no extra energy no better sleep for either of us. My husband has IBS and that didn't get any better either. hmmm... could it be because we didn't psychologically psych ourselves into thinking it was a miracle juice before drinking it!?!
Yes i think so!!
So I still believe its all a bunch of bs! The mind is a powerful thing and some people will want to believe something so bad that it will become true in their mind, but not in "real life"

Lisa writes: "...If you drink the Mona Vie daily, you get 13 servings of fruit per day."

**I'll assume that this is the same Lisa that comments here every now and then, and has yet to get a fact correct.

There are NOT 13 servings of fruits in 4 oz. of MonaVie. MonaVie claims 5 to 13 fruits based on ORAC only. This is NOT the same as the USDA recommended daily servings of fruits and vegetables, which include other phytonutrients.

The 13 servings based on ORAC is correct only if the 13 fruits used in the comparison are ORAC anemic. An analogy would be if I said that I'm stronger than 13 people. Yes, if the 13 people were all toddlers (and small ones at that).

Most everyone is familiar with the apple comparison: 4 oz. of MonaVie has an ORAC of 2,698 umoles. ONE apple (150 gm. red delicious variety) has an ORAC of 6,413 umoles.
So, a single apple has an antioxidant capacity 2.4 times higher than an entire days serving of MonaVie.

Lisa writes: "Now..go to the grocery store...and pick out 13 servings of fruit..not just one type..but 19 different fruits...or if you want to be simple..13 fruits...add up the cost..and this is just regular grocery store fruit..full of preservatives and pesticides..Now..get 13 different fruits that are organically grown..and tell me if you can get it for less than 5.50 for 13 servings..."

**First, maybe you aren't aware, but MonaVie contains two preservatives: sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate.

The USDA allows fruit juices (unless they can prove different, like V-8) to claim one serving per six ounces of juice. So, MonaVie would be a little less than one serving.

To claim additional servings would mean a formulation audit by the FDA to verify the amounts of each ingredient added to the batch. That's the last thing a shady company like MonaVie wants.

So, to answer your challenge, yes I can find one serving of fruits much cheaper than the $5.50 you quoted. One apple: $0.75
Five apples: $3.75
Five fruit servings of MonaVie: $27.50

Lisa writes: "If you still have doubts about it's effects..try their website for their new product..the M-mun..250 million dollars spent on research, 7 clinical trials, it contains wellmune, which has 40 patents on it and no one in the world has this, documented proof of this product "kick starting" your cells for regrowth and boosting your immune systems"

**Irv has done a phenomenal job of debunking Wellmune and Dr. Clayton. I'll let him tear into it.

Anonymous wrote: "If MV was a "scam" the company wouldnt be in inc 500 as the number one food and beverage company".

**Yes it would. Any company can pay a fee and be on the INC. list. Several on this list had revenues of only around five million. MonaVie doesn't come close to cracking the Fortune 500 or Forbes lists.

Anonymous writes: " MV has several professional organizations that supply this product to their athletes; boston red socks, utah jazz, houston rockets,LA angels along with several others"

**They don't supply it to athletes. MonaVie pays to advertise, the same as Cheetos and Pepsi. And that's Boston Red Sox, not socks.

I just wanted to say that I am now humiliated for ever having believed anything preached to me about this product. I was always quite a skeptic but I "took" it for a year and really felt nothing. But, at my first meeting, I was told that it would REPLACE 13 helpings of fruits and vegetables, and, in fact, I wouldn't have to buy them any longer unless I actually enjoyed eating a certain fruit or vegetable! I stopped taking a multi-vitamin...big mistake!I see now that they have changed their marketing to say that it is merely a supplement, and not a very good one according to current independant studies. I don't blame the people that sold it to me, that is what they were led to believe a year or so ago by the "God fearing" Mr. Larsen and his posse. I recommended this to people with children and I am just praying that those children were getting enough nutrients from other sources, and that their parents didn't listen to me!! For that, I despise you Mr. Larsen. I am all about free enterprise but not when you endanger the health of another human being, particularly a child. Then, you hide behind your statement that you can't possibly control what your distributors say/do. You secretly encourage their behaviour behind closed doors and you know it.What ever it takes for a sale. If there is a hell, I hope you burn in it.

p.s. I did research the product when I first started drinking it but there was only one study done on it at that time and it appears to have been funded by MV. Thank goodness for this site. I am very impressed with Food Tech and his diligence with getting the word out on this "product".

why is it that i hear how distributors are banking from 10-50K a week? in that same breath they want to get on board because it is so HEALTHY and you need it??? Drop the price to $15 a bottle and maybe us "haters" may turn "lovers"...
Overpriced is the word!

Say what you will but until you try Monavie all your rants mean nothing to nobody.yes i'am a monavie distibuter.I really care less if you don't order monavie.
What kind of sick bastard would i be if did have the cure for cancer and kept to myself.So i could watch all cancer caring magots die.leave only healthy people around.What a wonderful world this would be.
The only people who don't want a cure for what ails all of use are the pharmacutical companies and there drug pushing lobyist's.No politician or the FDA likes monavie can't get lobyist money out of monavie pushing distibuter.That's the bottom line.
I will assume all these anti Monavie rants are drug pushing lobyists or you work for the FDA or are a politician worried about not getting your drug pushing lobyist money.Yah we now who you are the pusher man.I have stopped taking my pills and drink monavie stop helping drug dealers drink Monavie.

Anonymous said: “I personally have nothing to do with MV, just did a little research and from what i see on this site the majority of you have nothing better to do than to slam other peoples success.You guys are idiots. If MV was a "scam" the company wouldnt be in inc 500 as the number one food and beverage company. obviously the product is helping people…”

Success? What success? Have you not looked at the IDS? It proves that the vast majority of distributors are dying in this business. What we are slamming here is a dishonestly marketed low-grade fruit punch that’s being peddled by greedy bastards as a cure for diseases and a substitute for approved medical therapy. What does the Inc 500 listing prove? That Monavie submitted bogus unvetted earnings claims? Yes. That Monavie LLC may have generated considerable revenue by selling sales tools and event tickets to suckers like you? Perhaps. Does it indicate that a significant percentage of Monavie distributors are making money? No, not even close! We know for a fact that they aren’t. Does the Inc list attest to the quality of the product or the integrity of the execs at Monavie. No, certainly not. We have enough reliable information to prove that this couldn’t be farther from the truth. Every major news source that’s ever written about Monavie (Newsweek, Forbes, Men’s Journal, Huffington Post, Palm Beach Post, NY Times, etc.) crucified the product. There’s also the matter of that D- rating from the Better Business Bureau. Not to mention the numerous examples of resume fraud among Monavie’s key operatives like Alexander Schauss, Ralph Carson, Jose Allongo, Lou Niles (the court-martialed rapist and doctor impersonator), Paul Clayton, etc. A bigger bunch of conmen and liars would be hard to find.

BTW, for someone who claims to have “nothing to do with MV” you sure do a good job of parroting the usual Monavie sales brochure BS. You sound just like all the rest of the disingenuous automaton distributors who spam the world with promotional drivel about Monavie.

Anonymous said: “look at all the people that stand behind the product.”

I’m looking and I don’t see anyone. All I see are a bunch of anonymous distributors who are violating FDA regulations and U.S. law by lying to people and telling them that Monavie can cure/prevent medical conditions. No one has EVER backed up a single one of these testimonials nor has anyone ever put their name and reputation on the line to defend such claims.

Lisa said: “Now..go to the grocery store...and pick out 13 servings of fruit..not just one type..but 19 different fruits...or if you want to be simple..13 fruits...add up the cost..and this is just regular grocery store fruit..full of preservatives and pesticides..Now..get 13 different fruits that are organically grown..and tell me if you can get it for less than 5.50 for 13 servings...”

You’re looking in the wrong grocery aisle. Your BS juice doesn’t contain “fruit”; it contains processed fruit juice concentrates, most of which are dirt cheap – i.e., it’s made mainly of cheap grape and apple juice concentrates. I can buy these more nutritious juices by the bucket load for pennies on the dollar compared with Monavie. And there isn’t a SINGLE organic ingredient in Monavie; anyone who would imply otherwise is nothing more than a liar, a thief, or a moron. Please note that the USDA levies hefty fines against companies that make false organic claims about their products.

Spending $5.50 a day on low-grade fruit juice is simply retarded, and Monavie doesn’t provide 13 servings of fruit – not even close – 4 ounces of Monavie isn’t even the equivalent of ONE serving of fruit.

I personally have nothing to do with MV, just did a little research and from what i see on this site the majority of you have nothing better to do than to slam other peoples success.You guys are idiots. If MV was a "scam" the company wouldnt be in inc 500 as the number one food and beverage company. obviously the product is helping people, look at all the people that stand behind the product. MV has several professional organizations that supply this product to their athletes; boston red socks, utah jazz, houston rockets,LA angels along with several others. And Im going to go out on a limb and say a lot of you on here failed at MLM. Its not for everyone, nor is it a get rich quick sceme, you literally have to treat it like a second job and im going to stop there; i really dont like being surronded by nothing but negative remarks and thats all this site promotes from what i see.

I just started drinking MV a few days ago and I noticed the effects almost instantly. Talk about a cleansing effect. I could literally feel the toxins being flushed out of my body. In fact, 20 minutes after my first drink I had to rush to the bathroom for a bout of explosive diarrhea. In fact the cleansing was so deep that I spent most of that day in the bathroom. Can't wait to take my shot tomorrow. $40 well spent.

"dumb", "brain dead", "dolt boy"... Apparently MonaVie reverses aging too. Or at least makes people act childish.

MLM is nothing but a scam. They promise all riches if you just "follow the system" but the truth is that they just feed off the pockets of dreamers.

ok, after reading a bunch about the eczema, I really felt inclined to put in my two cents worth:

I just started drinking the Mona Vie active 2 months ago..my friend gave me a bottle and said nothing about it...just that it was fruit juice and all natural (as all natural can actually be).
Within a week I noticed I was sleeping much better, had more energy throughout the day and less aches and pains from a 41 year old body.
Is this juice a miracle juice? of course not...all this juice is is providing your body with 19 different fruits that your body needs to improve it's own health.
As far as excema is concerned..there is no CURE for this disease but, excema is typically brought on by stress, and the fruits in this juice have been proven to give people a better sense of well being..hence lower stress..hence less outbreaks.
This juice is not a cure for anything but it does help your body..plain and simple.
bout the cost..let's break it down. Yes, Mona Vie is expensive if you only look at the total cost of the bottle.. one bottle is 37.00,a case is 130.00 for 4 bottles, and 2 cases (8 bottles) is 230.00...you drink 4 ounces a day..and there are 25.35 ounces in a bottle..so you get almost 6 days per bottle..if you bought one case (typically for one person per month) it breaks down to $5.41 per day to get all your fruit intake that is recommended by any doctor you speak to...If you drink the Mona Vie daily, you get 13 servings of fruit per day.
Now..go to the grocery store...and pick out 13 servings of fruit..not just one type..but 19 different fruits...or if you want to be simple..13 fruits...add up the cost..and this is just regular grocery store fruit..full of preservatives and pesticides..Now..get 13 different fruits that are organically grown..and tell me if you can get it for less than 5.50 for 13 servings...
So..as far as the cost comparision goes..Mona Vie is clearly not "expensive" if you want the servings of fruit that is recommended by all doctors.
Mona Vie is different for everyone...How can anyone knock it if they haven't tried it and see what it does for each person individually..The people that give testimonies..are some false? are some exagerated? of course..we would be naive if we thought that every person telling things about ANY product were always telling the exact truth..All I can say is if you haven't tried it..try it..it's certainly not going to hurt you..then you can come back and tell your own stories..
I'm not even talking about the direct marketing aspect of Mona Vie..I'm simply talking about drinking the juice..Everyone has their own thoughts on Marketing, pyramid schemes..etc..so there is no use arguing any point in that.
If you still have doubts about it's effects..try their website for their new product..the M-mun..250 million dollars spent on research, 7 clinical trials, it contains wellmune, which has 40 patents on it and no one in the world has this, documented proof of this product "kick starting" your cells for regrowth and boosting your immune systems..I won't go on and on about it because if anyone really wants to know..they will look it up for themselves..www.mmun.com.
ok, that's just my two cents worth

BSIT said: “Irv--you are without a doubt....AS D U M B as the day is L O N G. What a stupid, braindead retort... but...you never let us down, old buddy. You keep believing in poppin' drugs to cure your ills--I'll take healthy supplements like MVIE to protect myself.”

Oh, I see. You compared Monavie favorably to medicine by referring to the former as “good” and the latter as “evil” and that somehow makes me stupid??? I have little doubt that you would be begging for medicine if you had a real medical emergency. Maybe you should get a Medi-Alert bracelet that says “do not medicate – administer Monavie only”.

BSIT said: “By the way, doltboy..that was a testimonial written by someone 3 yrs ago. It's not MY testimonial-- talk about f-ing morons...you take the cake, IRVIE”

And we would know this because…? You posted the testimonial and signed it with you user name. Nowhere in your original post did you say that it was someone else’s testimonial, so you have no business getting uppity with anyone who assumes that the miracle-cure story about Monavie and eczema was based on your own experience. Whether it was your testimonial or someone else’s is also a moot point –- it’s illegal to promote Monavie as a medical treatment regardless of whether you post your own idiotic testimonials or someone else’s.

You better start stepping up your game sonny because with these feeble comments, you are just digging yourself into a deeper hole and making the company look even worse.

Wow, a pro-monavie person calling others demeaning and derogatory names. Never thought I would see the day this happened. Unbelievable, just truly unbelievable.

Irv--you are without a doubt....AS D U M B as the day is L O N G. What a stupid, braindead retort... but...you never let us down, old buddy. You keep believing in poppin' drugs to cure your ills--I'll take healthy supplements like MVIE to protect myself.

By the way, doltboy..that was a testimonial written by someone 3 yrs ago. It's not MY testimonial-- talk about f-ing morons...you take the cake, IRVIE

BSIT

Wow, you ScaMonavie suckers are still at it I see.

I have a bottle of green stuff that cures death, only $100,000 a bottle. Pay up suckers...

BSIT,

Per the eczema site – NOTHING can cure it; people USUALLY grow out of it. Very little alleviates the issues associated with it (the site NEVER mentions diet as a way to prevent it). I would like to think the dermatologists that study eczema daily would let their patients know if ANYTHING helped “cure” the affliction. So I am calling shenanigans on the FAKE and ILLEGAL claims that MV helps with eczema or anything else. I included a link to make your research easier - medicinenet.com/eczema/page4.htm.

MV helps you lose weight in your wallet that is it. For the record I also think that Fibromyalgia is just laziness, but I can be an unpleasant person some days.

As far as the Omega 3, 6, & 9 fatty acids; 3 decreases and 6 increases inflammation, so you have to have a really good balance – what is MV’s composition of these two? As far as Omega 9 – it is good for you, what is MV’s composition of Omega 9? I was under the impression (from the label) that there was very little of any fat in MV. If this is the case you are truly not that brilliant and more or less an idiot for stating that MV is a good source of healthy Omega fatty acids. I think even Nancy gave up that argument, and she is a little loopy.

I do not think us “haters” state that MV is anemic or nutritionally void, I believe the studies that FT continuously cites are the proof of the nutritional content, it is not OUR fault you have trouble comprehending those studies. My six year old can easily distinguish between the size/value of two unequal numbers. Good eating habits and exercise is the ONLY thing that helps the body. Many, if not most, supplements are literally just you pouring money down the toilet.

BSIT said: “Hi. I have suffered from severe eczema from an infant. I've been through every type of treatment known to man. Unfortunately, I have what I call major outbreaks from my face down to the back of my knees. A friend in January 2007, introduced me to a health food called Monavie. I've not had a major breakout since. It will be 3 months as of April 24th.”

You can’t even make up a believable story there BSIT. Your math doesn’t add up. 2007 is 3 years ago; not “3 months”. Aside from the fact that your fairy tale isn’t even remotely believable (or legal), what does it say about your credibility and integrity when you wantonly violate the terms of your distributor agreement by posting this crap? You are pretending to have found a major medical treatment breakthrough and yet you don’t have the decency to identify yourself, as required, so that your claims can be properly investigated. Everyone at Monavie seems to be eager to violate the law and prey on people by making these stupid farfetched claims but not one of you is willing to back it up with even a speck of evidence. Instead you all just keep acting like dishonest ambulance-chasing con artists.

BSIT said: “It's a classic example of good (MONAVIE/natural remedy) vs. evil (MEDZ).”

Oh I see. Medicine is bad and Monavie is good? Now we know that you are complete F-ing moron.

BSIT wrote: " It's a classic example of good (MONAVIE/natural remedy)"

**Natural? Since when is processed, freeze-dried acai powder, citric acid, sodium benzoate, and potassium sorbate added to a heat pasteurized, processed fruit punch considered natural?

BSIT writes: " One common denominator I found in all of these products of nature was the presence of healthy Omega fats (3,6,9)"

**You found that, did you? What sources provided each type of fatty acid that you mentioned? I don't see any of the 19 fruits listed on the label as being a high source of any Omega fat. Please reference the analysis that documents your claim.

He writes: "the product still aids the body in healing itself...it must be the 8th wonder of the world or something."

**No. I believe the 8th wonder are the people that still drink this stuff.

For Liz in MN: Pete, changing your gender and home state is a poor way of disguising yourself. Give it up.

Mr. Food Tech or who ever you think you are. You stated "a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation" Do you really believe what you write? You accused me of being someone else. "No, I do not deceive people". "a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation" it's what you just did. I live in Duluth, MN and please the dictionary applies to you too.

Hi. I have suffered from severe eczema from an infant. I've been through every type of treatment known to man. Unfortunately, I have what I call major outbreaks from my face down to the back of my knees. A friend in January 2007, introduced me to a health food called Monavie. I've not had a major breakout since. It will be 3 months as of April 24th. I can sleep on my sheets without sleeping in cotton pajamas--a major breakthrough. This superjuice works at the cellular level. What more can I say, but try monavie."

If one were to scour the internet, this is but one of several unsolicited testimonials that can be found. It's a classic example of good (MONAVIE/natural remedy) vs. evil (MEDZ). Consumption of Monavie is one of several natural remedies that have helped eczema sufferers get relief and/or eliminate this terrible condition. One common denominator I found in all of these products of nature was the presence of healthy Omega fats (3,6,9). Since I am not a not-so-brilliant food scientist (Hi FOOD FAKE) or a mindless dolt (HI IRV!) I will not infer that increasing one's OMEGA FATS daily will help people with Eczema, Fibromyalgia or any other chronic affliction. All of you people with a scintilla (HI JJT/birdbrain) of intelligence can draw your own positive conclusions.

The bottom line, folks, is that no matter how anemic and nutritionally void Monavie is (according to the haters)... the product still aids the body in healing itself...it must be the 8th wonder of the world or something. Anyhow, combined with a good diet and steady exercise..you can't go wrong!

brownsmellyirvtechbirdbrain

Stephanie,

You are not being 100% truthful. MV CANNOT help eczema, this has come up before. Dermatologists do not even know what can help eczema. There is no cure, but most people grow out of it. So please do not profess or believe that it was MV that helped you.

MV definitely can help with constipation, fruit helps with that – it is not MV it is the fruit juice in MV which you can get anywhere and much more cheaply.

Your “very in-shape” husband is not very healthy if he drinks an energy drink anytime – especially right before a workout. That is not a good way to get energy, the best way is to have a meal prior to working out that provides the energy for the workout. By the way, round is a shape.

I do not for a second believe that your father “retired because of sharing his love for MV”. If he had such a great gig going, why would he retire? Especially if he had such a great residual income, that all he has to do is “share” the juice. It seems pecuLIAR that he would quit something so easy; his purple card probably had so much money on it the numbers are worn down.

Lastly, I certainly hope that the teachers in my sons’ school district know how to use “I” and “me” properly and know that every day is two words. I hope that you do not teach grammar. That is probably not important since you're “jacked on the juice” and it should make you more intelligent after 90 days. I am being much more critical because you claim to be a teacher.

Amy (wolf in sheep’s clothing) said: “I may just be a teen but I can still have a say in this because I am human too.

Wow! I’ve never heard a “teen” speak so robotically and two-dimensionally. Sounds more to me like some Monavie hustling geezer adopting a new persona so that they can spam us with more illegal sales pitches

Amy (troll/spammer) said: My mother works for this business and my whole family drinks it everyday.

Your “mother”, if she actually existed, would be extremely negligent to allow you to post these illegal testimonials on her behalf. Nonetheless, I’ll play along -- be a good girl and post mommy’s name and distributor ID# so that we can report her to the FDA for illegal marketing.

Amy (liar) said: “My family hardly ever gets sick anymore, even my sister who usually always developes a fever during spring so high, she had to be taken to the hospital. When my parents were first introduced to it, they didn't really believe it either, but after a couple weeks of trying it out, they loved it alot and so my mom went into the business. We also had a friend's grandma, who drank mona vie recommended by a doctor and a year later, her grandma's Parkinson's disease disappeared.”

Wow, inventing the caricature of a teenager to spread BS illegal stories about Monavie miraculously curing grandma’s Parkinson’s disease. You people really are the lowest…you disgust me!

So I noticed that most of the poeople on this site think that mona vie is jsut a scam to rip people out of their money. I may just be a teen but I can still have a say in this because I am human too. And everyone's body works the same way. I, personally, belive that Mona Vie IS NOT a scam. My mother works for this business and my whole family drinks it everyday. My family hardly ever gets sick anymore, even my sister who usually always developes a fever during spring so high, she had to be taken to the hospital. When my parents were first introduced to it, they didn't really believe it either, but after a couple weeks of trying it out, they loved it alot and so my mom went into the business. We also had a friend's grandma, who drank mona vie recommended by a doctor and a year later, her grandma's Parkinson's disease disappeared. Mona Vie is not an instant cure like so many people believe. Its a juice that gives your body what it needs and cleanses it over TIME. And just becuase it tastes nasty at first doesn't necisarrily mean its BAD for you. Many things taste nasty too but it isn't bad. I have drank Mona Vie for atleast a year, and I manage to stay healthy. All my friends always ask, how I'm always the one out of my whole group, who isn't sick. And my reply to them always, would be Mona Vie. Maybe you don't necisarrily beleive in it, but I do. Mona Vie isn't a instant cure nor is it 'God's Miracle.' Its a juice with 19 fruits, that cleanses your body, and helps along with the science and nature of our body.

Stephanie and P. Lane

Please take your lies elsewhere. Your anecdotes are unverifiable and obviously false. I'd suggest that you enter one of the story-telling contests held around the country, but your yarns are too wacky for consideration.

Dear Concerned Friend,

I do stand corrected on several points:

* I did use the term "testimony" when perhaps "testimonial" is more appropriate.

* Rather than saying "many" I should have mentioned Jim Rohn by name. Relatively "uneducated" and poor, a network marketing opportunity allowed him to get on his way to a successful career in sales, consulting, and speaking. He was simple, but wise - and he credited much of what he knew and taught to his sponsor. (Most won't prove to be as successful as he was, but, hey, we don't have to win a gold medal in a sport to find satisfaction in that sport.)

* I do think I used the Paretos Law correctly. 80% of production comes from 20% of the people. This will be true in most downlines.

* I also agree that this obnoxious focus on recruiting family, friends, and coworkers is a huge reason that so many people fail. Again, I think somebody's focus should be on making their opportunity and/or product visible to people who are interested. (The internet is a nice tool for this.) I guess, personally, I would rather deal with a credible, quality stranger than an un-credible friend.

(Example: I make money by giving golf lessons part time. I don't make a list of people I know so I can ask them to start playing golf so they can pay me to learn to be an instructor themselves. No, I do my best to be a good instructor that provides good content in a visible way. When that happens consistently, my phone rings and/or there are messages in my inbox. After all, the world isn't short of struggling golfers looking for help! I am glad to be there when they come to me.)

* I am uncomfortable with the concept of "autoships" and "qualifying purchases," as well. If somebody HAS to buy more product than they could reasonably use themselves, then that could be a problem. I would be very, very careful about that kind of thing.

* I don't, specifically, have to buy any marketing tools, so I can't speak to that. That said, I do have friends that I've felt sorry for when I saw their "startup kit" for other companies. (Boxes, samples, books, dvd's - yuk.) I guess I would be very, very careful about that kind of thing as well.

* My comment regarding the shortfall of the pyramid diagrams is simply this: It never works that way, so why present it as such? It is never "4 get 4 who get 4 who get 4" or whatever... It's more like, you'll find/attract 10, and 8 will do nothing and/or quit. 2 will do OK. After some time of finding/attracting, you may find a superstar. Everybody in your downline will have a similar experience.

* Of course the retail analogy has shortfalls, but the point is this: Execs leverage the efforts of the hourly so they can make money. At the same time, they control the wages and promotion opportunities of those they leverage. They have all of the control, and have motivation to limit their subordinates incomes. In MLM, a person has no pre-determined limits. (They are limited, however, by their own resources, time, and skill.) In fact, the company (and sponsor) will WANT the person to make as much as possible.

Thanks for your concern. MLM is a dangerous world. That's why we've got to choose our companies very, very carefully.

Keith Bless

Stephanie said: "My parents introduced my husband and I to MonaVie. They were hopeful that drinking it would help the eczema on my hands and elbows. After only a couple weeks of drinking MV, my hands were no longer cracked and bleeding. The skin looks almost normal."

Wow, you cured eczema with overpriced pyramid scheme grape juice -- that deserves a Nobel Prize, not an anonymous post here on PH. Isn't that something you would want to share openly with the millions of eczema sufferers around the world. Why not post your name and contact information as well as the name of your physician, who for the good of all mankind, will surely be eager to corroborate your claim. While you are at it, let's have that Monavie distributor ID# so we can report your shenanigans to the FDA...LIAR!

P. Lane said: "I had taken Mona Vie for over a year for my personal health, not as a means of income. I suffer from fibromylsia (sic), Ebstein (sic) Barr Syndrome and all the complications and symptoms that go with these afflictions. After taking Mona Vie for three days, my hair stopped falling out, most of my hip pain went away, I had more energy and it helped alleviate the depression that is part of these syndromes."

Wow, 2 fraud artists making stupid illegal cure claims on the same day. What are the odds? Shouldn't you at least be able to properly spell the names of your medical conditions before you claim to have cured them...idiot!

I had taken Mona Vie for over a year for my personal health, not as a means of income. I suffer from fibromylsia, Ebstein Barr Syndrome and all the complications and symptoms that go with these afflictions. After taking Mona Vie for three days, my hair stopped falling out, most of my hip pain went away, I had more energy and it helped alleviate the depression that is part of these syndromes. I lost my job last August and have been unable to work. I had to stop taking Mona Vie in September because I can not afford it any longer and had not work up a clientele to earn money from it At this point, all my pains and complications have resumed and I know for sure that Mona Vie was truly a great blessing for me. As soon as I am able, I will begin taking it again. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT A SCAM! I do believe that it is beneficial to anyone who takes it.

Keith,

You “observations” are MLM propaganda and are not 100% true, allow me to elaborate.

I do not think anyone here ever debated the ethics of earning a commission from someone else’s sales. That happens every day in many industries. What is unethical is lying to attract potential down-line members and the pyramid that EVERY MLM is. The focus in MLM is recruiting. Once you are a member you MUST buy what you sell to stay eligible for a commission. You are also usually compensated on part of your sales. Any sales job that I know of pay you a commission on ALL of your sales, not just “qualifying” sales. Also, MOST retail jobs do not require you to pay a fee to get the job nor require a minimum purchase on a monthly basis. So your retail working analogy is very misleading.

The problem I have with MLM is the emphasis on recruiting. NO MLM tries to recruit “quality” people; they all suggest talking to everyone to establish a down-line. ALL MLM’s suggest talking to friends and family, usually with the phrase “who would you trust, your family or a stranger”.

Most marketing that MLMs do is just another way for “corporate” to get your money. Buy “TEAM tools”, use our website, and buy our copyrighted non-reproducible pamphlets and similar marketing materials.

So what you mean in your internet paragraph is that once you start lying and passing along fake or illegal testimonials (not testimonies – I think that has something to do with a trial) your family and friends will come to you and call you an idiot?

Please tell me ONE MLM that is not a pyramid? Do not bring up that every corporation is a pyramid – that is a BS argument that is simply not true. The pyramid structure is NOT misleading it is true. Also, show me where an MLMer got into an MLM on the ground floor and did well. I do not think there are many. You have to be in it early and scam people quickly. ALL MLMs implode upon themselves due to market saturation. Amway had to keep coming up with more “products” to sell to the down-line to keep going. I think you need to reread Pareto’s principle. As a manager you should concentrate on making your 80% better, the 20% will take care of themselves.

Who are those respected people in personal development that you speak about? I am unaware of which ones that started out as successful MLMers.

Lastly, something doesn’t have to be challenging to be worth doing. MLM is a SCAM and it is a lose-lose situation. NOBODY, that I have found, can show me someone successful in MLM that did not start with a down-line and that did not start the MLM from the beginning.

It's all about acai berry in 2010, you know very well that people will be taking this stuff in all sorts of differnet methods like acai powder and juices.

I think we all want the good life. We are looking to get excited about something. Monavie is giving people the excitment with the seminars. I personally think it is a pyramid scheme and I have friends that have gotten sucked into it. They get pumped up and I have seen this before in Mary Kay, and a couple other high priced merchandise. We as consumers have our own minds and most important our own money. We need to be smart and protect it. There are lots of natural products and free things we can do to be healthy. Monavie is a hype that empty people are looking for. Targeting your friends and families and coworkers is very annoying and does not make you look smart. Makes you look brainwashed. I believe in feeling good the old fashioned way. Thats what I would like to see people get excited about. It shouldn't cost 40.00 a bottle.

My parents introduced my husband and I to MonaVie. They were hopeful that drinking it would help the eczema on my hands and elbows. After only a couple weeks of drinking MV, my hands were no longer cracked and bleeding. The skin looks almost normal.

I am a teacher and work with children everyday. For the past ten years I have had to explain almost everyday what was wrong with my hands to them. It has been a nice change to feel relaxed and not always hiding my hands.

My two year old has had intestinal issues (as have I since I was a child). Since drinking the original blend there has not been any nights up crying from constipation.

My very in-shape husband has felt more energy and finds himself not reaching for a bull or rockstar before workouts.

We are proud to be "Jacked on the Juice" and easily share our successes. Oh, by the way, my father has now retired because of sharing his love for MonaVie. No tapes, no books, just a pride for the product and its healthy benefits.

Monavie really is a great product. It worked for me the 1st day a drank it. In todays economy its just to tough to keep it going. What ever networking business your in everyone uses a cell phone. I get unlimited everything for FREE with my I phone. Pay flat $89.95, refer 3 your is free. Free for life. Give me a shout if you would like to get rid of your cell bill. Have a great day.
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A friend of mine recently started selling MonaVie and she's pressuring me to try it. What alarms me is how "cultish" she's becoming -- only associates with MonaVie people, can talk about little else, etc. (What also bothers me is that she earns a very modest income and seems to be spending much of it on Monavie-related expenses.) From what I'm reading, including an article in Newsweek, I'm inclined to believe this is a scam; there doesn't seem to be any scientific info behind the company's claims. (I'd like to know the concentration percentage of acai, for example.) I also wonder if the company preys somewhat on people who tend to be a bit unsophisticated and trusting.

I think I'll skip it!

-- Siobhan in IL

My wife and I were past Amway distributers. We left the business before it even became Quixtar. Because my son is in Europe, my wife and I got on Facebook to keep in touch and as soon as we did, some old Amway upline got in touch with us. It was at this point I realized that they had all bailed on Amway/Quixstar and were now involved in something called Monavie? I started doing research on both and found that a lot, I mean a lot, of Amway Diamonds had left and or sued Amway/Quixtar and are now involved with Monavie. I viewed video from our former Diamonds in Calgary, Mark and Tammy Crawford, and Mark professed the greatness of Monavie and how he built his business out of it in 3 months. What I found interesting is that he didn't mention that he was all ready a millionaire from Amway and had downline established all ready. Nor did he mention that Monavie, I'm sure, made it worth his while, to bring his name and reputation, along with as many people, over to Monavie.
I researched Monavie and all it's claims and it never ceases to amaze me that we humans are lucky that we're on the top of the food chain, because we sure are stupid when it comes to falling for gimics like Monavie. One previous comment said it best " eat healthy and proper portions, get plenty of exercise, lots of sleep and try and avoid stress as best you can, or at least have a way of channeling it elsewhere, and you'll do more for your well being than any snake oil that is pushed your way"
My wife and I never made a dime on Amway but someone sure used the money we spent on tapes, rallies and seminars. My advice is simple, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

Jacked,

Been on it for 45 days, huh? Made money? How much? So, I need to be on it 90 days to see results or make money? Sounds a little fishy.

Who said that it is a "God needs your money" organization? I said it was founded with that "Christian value" in mind.

The MORE Project is a bogus charity created for tax purposes and to give some of the top execs' relatives jobs with pretty nice incomes.

Please show me where it states how much money goes to MORE and also what MORE has done in Brazil.

Also, didn't the MORE project donate money to CA? How does that help "the people of Brazil"?

I don't know much about MonaVie, nor do I care to. I am interested, however, to see the misconceptions that occur in the MLM world.

Just a few quick points in no particular order:

* While we're debating the ethics of earning commissions on someone else's sales, let's consider, as an example, that every retail employee in the world is in this situation. Execs pay an army of part timers $7.50 an hour to do most of the "legwork" and "sales" so THEY can make a FORTUNE. That's just the way it is. No gettin' around it... Except in MLM, nobody limits what you can do, try, accomplish and earn, while an employer typically does - significantly.

* MLM folks who think they will "use" others to build their incomes are sadly mistaken. Successful MLMers invest a great deal of time in recruiting, attracting and investing in quality people. Just like a company hires and trains quality people, a strong sponsor finds the best and helps them get better.

* People lose a lot of money if they use their marketing budgets unwisely. Just like any other business, a few bad decisions are costly. One person may foolishly waste $1000 with nothing to show for it, while another may invest $10 so wisely that it changes his life. That's just the way it is, regardless of the company or product.

* Friends and Family may NOT the best way to get started - especially if you've tried (and failed) other businesses before. Rather, you want to find a way to be visible and available to those who are looking for a product or opportunity like yours. This is a far more effective use of your time - and should keep you out of the NFL! (No Friends Left)

* The INTERNET is probably the best way to get started. It is cheap, visible, not so time consuming, AND you don't have to drive anywhere for some hype meeting. By the way, once you get some momentum, testimonies, and income, your friends and family will, amazingly, come to you!

* The "pyramidal" diagrams that companies use to explain their compensation does everyone a disservice. It makes people think "pyramid" and is extremely misleading. Paretos (sp?)Law always applies. 20% of people produce 80% of sales. That means that most of the people you bring in won't sell or sponsor much. The few really good ones make it worth the effort, however. In the search of a "good one" you will become a "good one" yourself. It may take years.

* Some of the most respected people in personal development come from an MLM background, where people DO learn that they don't need to be limited by their circumstances, lack of formal education, or background. MLM (and a good sponsor) teaches that you CAN improve and that you CAN find a way.

* At the same time, MLM unfortunately attracts lazy schleps and schemers who think their check will just get handed to them and nothing will ever go wrong... so they quite a month after they start. Anything worth doing is challenging.

I hope these thoughts help people sort out this issue.

Keith Bless

Monavie is just a juice. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that will replace actual FRESH fruit.

The whole "4-ounce" concept is an absolute crock of shit. MLM "miracle juices" have been doing this for years. Long before Monavie. It's nothing new.

Testimonials from distributors who have an active financial interest in the product are NOT facts.

The REAL nutritional value of 4 ounces of Monavie is somewhere between a glass of grape juice and a spoonful of rat vomit. Give or take of course (I'm no scientist).

After 5 years, the company has not been able to provide a single shred of validity or factual evidence to all these distributor health claims and their own "blah blah blah servings of fruit per day" and "ORAC, SHCMORAC" claims.

That's enough to tell anyone with a pulse and high school education that it's all worthless fluff and hype.

Acai is hot...REAL hot. You can't blink an eye without seeing a new Acai diet scam.

There are only a handful of companies who legitimately provide pure Acai in its appropriate form. Monavie is not one of them.

Here's something the tender loving folks at Monavie don't want you to know:

---The fact that it's juice already proves that its nutritional value is worthless.

---The "synergistic" blend is a slick marketing ploy. The only ingredient that should matter is Acai. Most of the other filler juices in there are actually doing you more harm than good.

---They fill it up with useless juice concentrates because there is a minimal amount of Acai in there.

Overall, any juice that is actually made from concentrate has a nutritional value not far away from rat vomit (more or less, I'm no scientist).

Liz in MN (AKA Pete Moss),

No, I do not deceive people. Yes, MonaVie is a scam, which is defined in the dictionary as:
"a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation"

That, my friend, describes the MonaVie operation perfectly.

My girlfriends parents are in their sixties. They both have good jobs but are by no means wealthy, they rent an apartment and have no major savings. Recently something in their lives caused them to turn to the church. Not long after being born again they approached us to "let us in" on a new business opportunity that they were exploring. Of course we all know what this business is.

They are now going to seminars every weekend, sometimes up to 12 hours away by car, listening to an endless stream of cd's and reading nothing but mona vie related books. They do not, however, have a single distributor beneath them and a have given away much more juice than they have sold. They keep saying things like "we just need to find new areas where people haven't heard of mona vie yet," and "just wait until our business takes off and we start getting $10,000 checks."

My girlfriend and I are both very concerned that they are being taken for everything they have. We were hoping that someone on this blog could provide us with some info that we could use as a sort of "intervention" before these two kind, well meaning people are left penniless, in a poor economy, with retirment right around the corner.

Thank you

Monavie is great love the juice. Gave some to my dad without telling him what it was for. he drank it and he didnt notice he was acually feeling better till a month that i decided to tell him what the juice was for. That was my way of testing it. im young so i dont feel much but its like an oil change.... is your car supposed to drive any faster after the oil change? NO! but we know to change the oil to make the car last. its the same thing with our bodies.. its just fruit people! anything thats good is always bashed so who cares what others think as long as it works for you.

First, as far as Mona Vie being called a drug, miracle cure, or anything like that, you are mistaken. The CEO of the company flat out says it is a health supplement. Not a cure. And for those of you that say we could just eat more fruit, you're absolutly right. But the fact is that most americans don't eat the suggested amount of fruit they should in a day. This is for them.
Second, there is no "Give your money to GOD" in the company. They donate to the MORE project. Mona Vie Operational Rescue. They build houses and schools in the slums of Brazil to feed and educate children that end up dead or sold into prostitution by age 7 or 8 to give them a chance at life.
Third, you were not able to make a go of the product because you probably quit within the first 90 days when the first few friends you thought were a sure sale told you no. If you stick it out and do what you are supposed to do, (i.e. tell people it is a health supplement and nothing else), you will be successful.
I have been on Mona Vie for about a month and a half now and am already making money. However this is not what I really care about. The fact of what the antioxidants do for me individually is enough to sell me on the product.
Get on it, and try it for 3 months. 2 shots in the morning and 2 shots in the evening. I would venture to call you a liar if you said you felt no change at all in yourself after that time.
Bottom line is that the juice and what it does will sell itself. Most of the distributors don't even need to know the facts about how it works. They just know that if someone gets on it for at least 3 months then they can see what it does for them.

Rumor has it that monavie will be coming out with yet another great juice drink to add to the phenominal lineup so prized by the masses.
This new juice will contain no less than 19 fantastic fruits & foods, including; avocados, apples, chocolat, coconut, coffee, dates, apricots, figs, grapes, mangos, papayas, peaches, pears, persimmons, pineapple, plums, prunes, rhubarb, and finally, the crown jewel of the juice, wild-crafted, hand-picked DINGLE BERRIES from the land DOWN UNDER.
This magnificent juice has been blended for optimum health of the digestive tract as it cleanses the body of toxins while also providing the body with energy and abdominal comfort.
The 6th juice in mvs' lineup will be bottled in the usual wine type bottle, but will now have a BROWN label. This new juice will be named: MonaLax

To Food Tech in CA in your post of Feb. 10, you said **Since when do Christian principles propose deceiving people? I've said it before-if you are unaware that MonaVie is a scam and you are a distributor, you can be forgiven. However, once you know the facts, but continue to perpetuate the fraud, then you are nothing more than a common conman.
Do you deceive people? Have you or any of your friends brought charges or any agency of the government brought charges that MonaVie is a scam? Only you and a few of your friends say it is
"once you know the facts, but continue to perpetuate the fraud, then you are nothing more than a common conman".these are your own words Mr. Food Tech since you know the facts... you are a common con man.

I guess it really was just BJ (with many pseudonyms), Hap (with just as many) Mark and Nancy on here for MV. Since BJ jumped ship it is hard for Hap, Nancy and Mark to keep up with postings. These guys really are a joke. Maybe they all saw the light when high level guys started jumping over to “miracle” water infused with H2O. It may seem like MV has run its course and ran aground on a manmade reef created by discarded Evolv bottles. We can only hope.

Carol,

Once again confusing – reread your first sentence. You hallowed me by saying “thyself”, I do appreciate that. I do love myself. I do not need a crutch (a god) to blame things on like people like you. Actually if you would review your history and read a little, good old GW and most of the founding fathers were Deists –so they did not believe in a god (I never referenced Dwight) I did reference the royal family. I included a link that may help in your research. I did not compare myself to anyone; I just gave you examples of educated people that also served in the military. You brought it up.

freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html#washington

Once again, please do not think that because I am in the military or that I am an atheist that I am not intelligent and well read. You need to learn more about your beliefs before you attempt to argue about them. I have been studying religions for about 20 years. We really should stay on MV and argue religion in the proper forum; you CANNOT win a religious argument with me.

I do love my country, so I did not lie by saluting the flag or putting my hand on my heart. It was not my choice to have “in God we trust” on the money. I could care less. YOU and people like you, are stating that I am “wrong” for being an atheist. I just want you to stop lying about MV. I could care less if you follow a false deity.

You still did not state where Nancy told the truth. She often lies (or is ignorant) about MV and other foods. I am not a control freak, although I do like being in control. I am not fanatical about it.

Why would we listen to anyone that can't spell their own name, but uses anonymous. You have nothing to say. What a joke..

As I read and read and read this Google Box on MonaVie's PROS and CONS....
Eat your daily fruits and vegetables, stay away from salty, fatty foods and exercise regularly. Holy Cow... MOM was right growing up, thats a healthy life!
There is no quick fix to having a healthy body. So get out there and do something, not push something!
Hey MonaVie... I just ate an Apple and a Banana----you jealous?
MONA VIE IS A SCAM, you will not get rich and it is not a MIRACLE DRINK.
I was once a distributor, I was a "drinker of the juice" and came to the conclusion of... someone has FAT POCKETS because of me and millions of other suckers working towards a "FREE TRIP" or to "BECOME BLACK DIAMONDS"???

-OUT

Concern Friend.....Oh my do we love thyself, but please don't compare yourself to any one like George W. or Dwight E., you're not like them at all. These military men believed in God and county. Not you, no way in hell.

You lied, every time you saluted the flag and placed your hand over your heart. Take the money out of your pocket we wouldn't want God to get the wrong idea.

Nancy spoke the truth when she said you were a "control freak"

Daphne,
A "a company based on Christian principles", that sells a Kosher variety of crap juice? Very interesting concept.

Daphne,
I am a smoker, I do not drink, I am far from overweight, I am a professional and I do not believe in fictitious creations of man (i.e. a god). This company is based on Christian principles – the ones that allow people to be conned into thinking that a god needs their hard earned money. Just like Joseph Smith, a convicted con man and founder of the Mormon faith, Dallin and Monavie hide in Utah to keep themselves free from prosecution. MV is cult-like just like most, if not all, Christian religions. Thank you for calling me a professional by the way. Once again, unlike most MV distributors, I speak the truth. I do not lie to line my pockets. You should not try to discuss religion with an atheist, most of us know far more about your beliefs than you do. We are a very learned and educated group. Research things before you attempt to claim you are all knowing. Your god would not appreciate you treading on their domain.

We all should keep religion out of this blog. Please try to stay on topic.

Daphne....so not only is this a communist plot it's a demonic attempt to steal your soul....The naysayers and those "against MonaVie" are just not righteous enough to know the truth...the way, and the light....give me a friggin' break!!

Daphne wrote: " Since this company is based on Christian principles I see why you are, what you are."

**Since when do Christian principles propose deceiving people? I've said it before-if you are unaware that MonaVie is a scam and you are a distributor, you can be forgiven. However, once you know the facts, but continue to perpetuate the fraud, then you are nothing more than a common conman.

I know many good people, representing many faiths. No one that I know would even think about selling a fruit punch as a magic elixir, ESPECIALLY to their friends and family.

Daphne, you should be ashamed of yourself, I know your religion is.

After reading this blog for 6 months I notice most of you who are against MonaVie. The ones against MonaVie are smokers, drinkers, over weight, professionals and non-believers or should I say atheist. Since this company is based on Christian principles I see why you are, what you are. Talk about telling the truth.

I joined MonaVie in October of 2008. I bought one bottle from my friend (who no longer bothers with it). Never could afford to order anymore for fear my wife would bitch. I would like to but while I wait I been buying acai and vitamin waters for the fridge. My kids like to drink the vitamin waters(pretty colors lol)So if nothing else MonaVie has introduced me to the idea that acai and fruit is a good thing to get in me. It all taste nasty but whatever, so does cold medicine. Sure would like to get rich like they say but I probably won't and the wife will be sitting in the same I told ya so place as always! Anyways since I smoke I'll be dead in 20 to thirty years anyhow. MonaVie needs to really be tested. The only test I could ever do was give a bottle that some lady I was working for last summer gave me as a tip (she was real old to and really talked it up). Anyways my pal has some knee pain, so the test was "drink this and let me know" (original) He said his knees felt better enough to purchase more. So far he hasn't cause he's broke like me. We live in Mi. Go Obama!

On Feb. 2, paul wrote "Just remember, network marketing ain't for everyone...somebody's gotta flip the burgers!"

Has anybody noticed what appears to be a theme with MV that belittles an honest days pay for an honest days work? My son while in high school flipped burgers, and I think it was a good experience for him. The financial fact is that at the end of his first day flipping burgers he made more profit than 98% of everyone who signed up to be a mona vie distributor COMBINED!

There is no shame in any form of honest work that provides for you or your family. There is much shame in any dishonest damaging work, regardless of the financial rewards.

To Furry,

Monavie has been in "my country", which is the United States, for years. As to what part of my "lecture" showed me to feel threatened, I am at a complete loss. This seems just another out of left-field statement.

I will state you are correct that I have never enjoyed the taste of monavie, although I did drink the 2 shot per day dosage for 26 days straight. I DRANK it, I did not ENJOY it.

If you will share with me how you INSPECTED the fiber, please do do immediately, and I will follow your instructions to the letter.

As for my arrogant lecture, feel free to change my mind with real food science and real human physiological and biological ideas, not by saying "i feel great on it" or most annoyingly (and dishonest) pointing to the health benefits of MONAVIE not the health benefits of fresh, organic, acai berries. There is difference.

You say you are a big proponent of and have interest in utilizing food as medecine. That is great. However, it is like saying I have an interest in and am a proponent of baseball. That doesn't mean I am ready to coach the New York Yankees.

If you are going to put out to the world that the product you are selling is healthy, do real research and when points you make are shown to be in error, drop the ego and ask why. You become a much better health care practioner and a better person.

Good luck in the future.

Furry,

You really are touched. Please start taking your meds again. I am not black or white, I am truth or lie. MV distributors (i.e you - Nancy Purks) historically have been known to lie to promote the purple crap. Please cite ANY reference to back up ANYTHING you claim. I will concede that MV comes in 5 varieties (4 bottled & MVe) and it is a pretty wine type bottle.

Are you even in VA?

Furry, which omega-3's are in MonaVie? Where is the analysis that documents this? How much omega-3's? Are you making things up again?

Anonymous..My name is Brad Morris. My phone number and address is none of your business. I have yet to see anyone else here post their personal information either. Now, you have my full name, so what is yours or did your momma not name you. All you do is shoot off at the mouth, never making a valid point. Come on big guy or whatever you are...step up to the plate and make us all proud. The ball is now in your court...What will it be? Man or wuss.....

So I left a comment on Bobby J's YouTube video (youtube.com/watch?v=PlWsInUAr_U). The comment was deleted the next day, along with ratings for the video being disabled. If you are familiar with the YouTube community, you know this is a cowardly and dishonest act. I copied the comment I left on his channel, and have chosen to post it here. I will be interested to see if he deletes that post, as well. If Bobby J happens to read this, I do sincerely hope he chooses to use his experiences to stop other people from getting involved in a ripoff scheme like MonaVie. I know if I was personally responsible for people spending VAST amounts of money in the name of pseudo-scientific purple swill and the hollow promise of free luxury automobiles, I would make sure people knew my story, in order to stop them from taking the path I did.

Here's the comment I left:

****Bobby,
Why would you disable comments/ratings on your MonaVie vid?!?! I would hope (if this is the real BobbyJ from Purplehorror.com) that you've learned your lesson. I think you should come over to the P.H. site, and apologize for being such an insufferable ass. Not going to hold my breath, but if you really have changed your tune, I think it would be helpful (and could assuage some of your guilt) for you to possibly keep someone ELSE from becoming a MonaVie zealot, only to learn that it truly is a pyramid scheme built on lies and crap juice. I'm sure the people could benefit from your story, and maybe you could keep someone from going down the same path. Or, you can delete this comment like you did the one I left on the video, and take the coward's path. Up to you, man. It's not too late to redeem yourself, and I sincerely hope you make the right choice.

Love,
Andrew******

I agree with Irv, I think the video was a step in the right direction, but I would love to see Bobby come here, and discuss things like a rational person, which he seems to be slowly morphing into. Probably a lot easier without spending all your time hocking garbage water....

Love
Andrew

Omega 3's FT, Omega 3's. They are the ones we need the most of and are the hardest to find. Chia seeds are also high in Omega 3's.

The seed of the acai is not edible and is not used in Monavie. However, there are other seeds that are very nutritious, such as aricot seeds. There are the fibers in rapsberries. Since Monavie is proprietary we can't know the secrets of Monavie. But wasting time worrying about the seed of the acai is just that, a waste of time. This was cleared up a year ago Irving.

Dr. Tim, it appears that you never actually enjoyed Monavie or inspected the fiber. If you spent any time here in the past you would know I am a big proponent of healthy choices and food as medicine. But I was casting pearls. Your lecture is arrogant and I don't know why you feel threatened. Monavie is in your country now and you will just have to ignore it.

I have benefitted from Monavie. Greatly!!

I see black and white CF is still pushing his all or nothing agenda. Who cares CF.

Carol W.,

Carol,

Other than your post being poorly written and confusing at the end, you apparently do not know me well and do not know much about the military (you do actually have time to become extremely well learned and rounded). A lot of world leaders were in the military at one point in their life (that Washington guy comes to mind, also most of the royal family in Britain). After 20 years in the military, owning four businesses, having two college degrees, acceptance to Norman Wiggins School of Law (167on my LSAT – never went to the school though), over 1400 on my SAT (on the 1600 pt version) and studying about religion (I’ve learned to be an atheist), nutrition and physiology, (I am a certified Personal Trainer – ACSM) and MV (been researching it for two years) you are correct; I probably do not know anything except the military.

Please enlighten me on where Nancy spoke the truth. I believe that if I heard or read the truth I would believe it. I changed my religious believes from deism to atheism within the last 18 months.

MV is still a very over-priced and nutritionally void juice product.

Brad,
It's anonymous, not anomymous.
If names are so important, why don't you give us your last name, as well as your address and phone # so we know who YOU really are?
THAT would be really BIG of you.

Hey Anomymous....you sure do have a big mouth for someone that does not have the balls to use a name. Until you are big enough to show us who you really are, you just come across as a big wuss.

Hey FT, I just watched that Monavie distributor’s video about the clumps in Monavie and I have to agree with you - that flocculent clod in the middle of the bottle is definitely a bacterial colony. No question about it.
www.metacafe.com/watch/1202640/monavie_clumps_chunks_bits_and_pieces

Laughably, the fool in the video (Christian Yaste ID#427917) refers to this bacterial clot as the “best part” of Monavie and says that it’s made of "skin and seeds". Although I can’t necessarily disagree with his contention that the bacterial contamination is the best part of Monavie (it may well be since the juice is nutritionally useless in essentially every respect), I can say for sure that he is dead wrong about the clump consisting of seeds and skin.

As you all may recall, we have visited the “seed issue” already after Breezy (aka Furry) claimed that Monavie included the seeds of the acai. We dismissed her claim as a lie after finding this statement from Darrin Blackhust (Sr. Manager, Technical Services, MonaVie Product Development), in which he specifically claims that Monavie does NOT contain seeds:

“The seed, however, is discarded during processing of the fruit and is never used or found in the finished product.”
www.buildthejuice.com/pdfs/monavie_organic_summary.pdf

Christian Yates also lied when he said that a single shot glass of Monavie provides "six and half servings of fruit".

It’s laughable how distributors try to claim that Monavie is more convenient than fresh fruit, when, according to this video, you have to mix it using a hand held blender to make it palatable. How is that convenient?

He says that people “hate the clumps”. I’m sure they do; and so they should.

Nancy, ( Furrball ),
I cannot find your mv website. Can you let us know the correct url so that we can order more elixar to feed our puddy tats.
Or are you now working at BJ's sweatshop sewing doll clothes & new mystical cat clothing.

Furry,You can never convince a know it all. With 20 years in the military you could say he knows about military and nothing else. With 6 months in make believe he was in Monavie,or the business he is not an authority. When these so called influential big shots.are told the truth they can't handle the truth. Don't waste you time they know everything. This is why thier names are top names in MLM's, In science, and business. Look it up on the web... there is only one.

BJ,
How is that MV plan working out for you.
I noticed you're now selling bottles of mv on E-Bay for just over $ 8.00 each. I guess you'll have a nice write-off for business expense losses for 2010.
Better get sewing on those dresses a little faster !

To the furry idiot,

I was approached with monavie and after doing RESEARCH on the product, I declined.

I did this because

a. Almost all commercial fruit juices are simply sugar water, monavie or not. If you don't understand this without an explanation, you should not be selling fruit juices disguised as health tonics. Do your own research and learn something.

b. Their binary compensation plan is beyond idiotic to anyone outside of the few top dogs.
If you don't understand this without explanation,you shouldn't be in sales at all.

C. The nutritional content of monavie specifically is not worth 16 dollars a month let alone 160.00 dollars. You do not have to take Food Tech's word for it (although he is correct). If you are truly into natural health, 15 minutes of research into unbiased nutritional data would clearly show this. I will not be as kind as food tech and do the research for you.

D. It is also clear from the posts of monavie supporters than petty, small-minded and ignorant thoughts are more important than learning how to help your family, neighbors or friends with regaing true health through proper food/supplement/ and lifestyle choices.
Why would anyone do business with wankers such as these.

I am almost sorry I took 5 minutes of my time to write this, but "green fat"? I am confident a third grader would be a better source of information on nutrition than yourself.

By the way, whether you want to believe it or not, food tech is correct. It is nothing but a bacterial colony resulting probably from poor production and handling. Thank god it is for the most part harmless.

P.S. I have undergraduate degree in chemistry and physiology, a masters in nutrition and have been a practicing chiropractor for the last 13 years (and yes, my degrees are more than legit), so I do have a decent grasp of nutrition and how it can impact the human (and cat and dog) body.

Glad to see our old friend Pete Moss (HapEinAM) is back again, posting as Steve Terrell, mark, and Rachael.

Furry, please name which essential fatty acids you are talking about. Don't expect an answer, folks. Or, she'll make up some nonsense.

If you watched the video, the huckster had to use a hand blender to disperse the mass. The mass had to have grown after bottling, since the filler head is too small to accomodate it.

Furry, you have yet to verify anything that you've written about, the past two years.

Everything that you spout off is from your own head, and is as unverifiable as a MonaVie testimonial. Show us the studies that back up what you say.

I just saw a popular model here in PR that is selling that on facebook. And it have banner of Oprah like she is supporting this stuff. So I did my research and then I found this website, and I found another one very interesting. Oprah have a lawsuit with the company that create this.

www.sltrib.com/business/ci_13179813

CF, as much as FT wants you to stop talking about cats I just can't let you babble on about something you just don't unerstand. Did you know that the acai contains amino acids? Apaprently not. Did you kow that wolfberry contains amino acids. Did you know that Monavie contains amino acids. Amino acids are used as precursors to body chemistry. I think you are thinking about the nitrogen containing protein in animal products. Just give it up please. You wouldn't know a nutritional product even it it bit you in the arsenal.

FT, are the lapses in memory becoming more prevalent? You certainly did talk about the "bacteria" in the past. And I've explained it over and over, that the stuff is fat based. Green fat in fact. The essential fatty acids in the acai are a green fat. Mother nature at her best. Shake well and drink up.

Bobby J appears to be selling off his MonaVie materials on EBay:

cgi.ebay.com/Monavie-Marketing-Materials_W0QQitemZ320482744592QQihZ011QQcategoryZ11776QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Anybody getting sick and tired of Food Tech and Furry arguing back and forth. I see more maturity on a grade school playground. Food Tech's life sure must be BORING to spend so much time here fighting like a child. Can someone please help this guy find a job. He has way too much time on his hands.

Is this how the typical Monavie scenario plays out?

Person signs up for Monavie. Hounds all his friends and family to sign up. Convinces them to do bulk orders to get a discount and use the extra bottles to give out as samples.

Some of those friends and family sign up. They do the same thing. Pretty soon some people have a decent sized downline built up. Then the people at the bottom realize there is no one left in the area to sell it to. So they stop their autoship. This effect carries on up through the ranks once people realize they don't stand a chance of making a profit over what it costs them for autoship every month.

Eventually almost all the people involved cancel autoship.

Just wondering, because that is exactly what happened in my area. One friend said he spent over $3000 and made less than $800. His downline dwindled to nothing so he eventually quit autoship too, since it was more than he wanted to spend every month.

Another friend tried to do it full time, swore he would be some sort of ruby level, or whatever it is called, in a year.... and now recently had to take a job at a factory. He is still plugging away, because he has so much time invested. But he basically admitted his downline was drying up.

Is this commonplace, or are there lots of you guys out there actually making money at this for a long period? Seems more likely it is just a select few that make any money, and probably just for a short amount of time while the boom is on in your area.

The boom is officially dead around here.

Furry wrote: "Oh FT, that is almost 2 years old and you posted it long ago saying the same thing. I see the conglomerations of fat and fiber in Monavie, and you don't."

**Furry, you see what you want to see, I see what it actually is: a floating bacterial colony. I've seen examples many times in many products. It's common in poorly pasteurized juices.

You say it's fat and fiber? That's interesting, since the label reads only 0.5 gms. of fat and <1 gm. of fiber per serving.

I realize that much of the smaller floaties are merely poorly homogenized bits of plant material, but this was a bacterial colony.

And I've never posted that before, because I've never seen it before.

Please remember to post your correct name and distributor I.D. as required by the MonaVie huckster code.

Furry,

Liking something or not has nothing to do with physiology, or knowledge. I do not like MV and I know more about it than most distributors. Amino acids are protein, that are not very often in plants, but definitely in meat. That is why cat food has them in it. Carnivores eat flesh, bottom line. They cannot digest plant matter, ever. The enzymes in their stomach cannot do it.

Rachael,

I am not a fan of Wikipedia, because it is created by people that input what they think, not always referenced, so not always factually true or complete. I actually went to the E&Y site (the last time someone brought up this “prestigious” award) and if you go to the right hand side it asks for submissions. It “STRONGLY RECOMMENDS” self nominations. Once you nominate yourself you get to choose or create an industry. You can be the ONLY nomination for that industry, so by default you will get the “award”, since it is region based. That is what Dallin did. He did not get “judged” because that is for the entrepreneur of the year; DL did not win that award. Check out ey.com. SO once again I say it is the same as the INC list, A Who’s Who list, and also the same as being the “Official Beverage of the Boston Red Sox” invest enough and the award/title is yours. I never have said that DL makes lots of money. Anyone owning an MLM does quite well. The distributors that whore themselves out for those people NEVER make money. Show me ONE example?

On to your diamonds, did they come into MV without any down-line? That was and continues to be my argument. No NEW distributor can make money in MV, only people that jumped from one and brought their down-line (i.e. group of rubes). Cheetwood (an apt name) is an actor probably paid for his involvement.

Oh FT, that is almost 2 years old and you posted it long ago saying the same thing. I see the conglomerations of fat and fiber in Monavie, and you don't. All we have to do is shake the bottle. Those are the instructions. Shake the bottle. That is a cute video of a dad and his boy doing some bonding and having fun. I've told you before that you can see this material on the side of the cup, you can run your finger over it and get the goodness, the fats, the fibers and the seeds. Yum Yum Are you running out of material?

And once again your friend the control freak reveals more about himself. He doesn't like animals. Yet he is an expert. I wonder why the Chinese herbs that some of my critters have received from their vet have worked. Could it be because they can only ingest livers. Or does nutrition actually benefit the cat. Chinese herbs, or other traditional herbs are PLANTS. Chia seeds are great for them too. Poor CF. He misses a lot from life. It's all black or white for him.

Being a control freak is a hard path. Now FT if you have a complaint, take it up with him. I wonder why cat food is supplemented and specifically with taurine (an amino acid). Monavie contains aminos, EFAs, vitamins, minerals. Can benefit just about everyone (except CF, he is already perfect).

I almost forgot, what can be found in raw foods like wheat grass and cantaloupe and raw meat or whatever is ENZYMES. Always good to get some in the diet (for people and animals).

I wish websites like this would stop slamming MONAVIE, it is what it is. Its Fruit in a Bottle. You can drink or drink and make some money. Is everyone going to be a millionare NO. The people that HAVE done that HAVE BEEN IN NETWORK MARKETING FOR YEARS AND YEARS.......

Mark,

At least spell the name of the two examples you gave correctly, Licciardi. The lawsuit that Amway filed against MV had their name spelled correctly. That is real evidence that they came to MV with a downline, so I do not need you to comment on my earlier post. Please show me a "raw" recruit (no MLM experience or history) that made ANY money with MV? There are not many and probably not one that grossed (I am not even asking for net) more than $100,000 in MV.

For the record, the amount of success that a product has and how quickly it has sales does not make it good for you. Heroin comes to mind. So just because MV posts (claims- there is no public record) remarkable sales means nothing. The pet rock did real well for awhile.

Also, I actually have a platoon and a company that I am responsible for.

mark,

What sort of down-line did they come into MV with? Both of those people jumped from Amway, correct? No NEW distributor can make any money in MV, that is our point.

Timmy,

The study that you got your information from is not JAMA, it was a Greek study conducted on 62 people. That is hardly enough of a cross-section to make a conclusion worthy of being placed in the JAMA. You pretty much cut and pasted the info straight from the same site I read it on. Wow a distributor lying, how original.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1207845/How-smoking-ruins-favourite-meal-changing-shape-taste-buds.html

BSIT,
The reason that MV is doing well, regardless of the crappy business model or the crappy product, is because someone got scammed and they scammed other people to buy juice for themselves. Show me where the sales went to non-distributors. The business is based solely on lies.

I drank the juice for one month. How is it a fantastic supplement? It has been PROVEN many times on this blog that the juice is not very good as a supplement. If you disagree, please cite references.

I am only dangerous when I need to be.

I'm sorry concern friend, I should say you were misguided. Quote: "E&Y is based off of submitting YOUR OWN NAME, so it is a pay to play award. Just like the Who's Who lists. The average distributor will never make money in MV or any MLM. The owners definitely will due to rubes like you."

Since you like to go to Wikipedia "Just like the Who's Who lists". Here is what Wikipedia says: There is never a charge for being listed, nor are aggressive sales tactics used. "E&Y is based off of submitting YOUR OWN NAME" All of the award recipients are selected by an independent panel of judges. composed of area leaders from business, academic and civic organizations.

I don't know if Will answered your question but the Cheetwoods joined in Aug. and went Hawaiian Blue Diamond in Sept., the Padilla's joined in June and went Hawaiian Blue Diamond in Feb.

This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time! www.metacafe.com/watch/1202640/monavie_clumps_chunks_bits_and_pieces/

The host trys to convince us that the floatie in his bottle of MonaVie is nutritious seeds, skin, etc...

He proceeds to demonstrate how to disslove the chunks using a hand blender. He finishes by drinking a shot glass of the juice and lying that it's equal to 6-1/2 servings of fruits.

Here's the funny part: what he dissolved into the MonaVie was actually a classic lactic acid bacteria colony that was floating on the surface. So, he drank the colony with his MonaVie.

The first giveaway, was the fact that the colony was so large. Juice filler heads will not accomodate that large piece of material.

I wasn't quite sure at first, but after he zoomed in, I knew it was a classic colony, very common in improperly pasteurized/stored fruit juices.

Now, this type of bacteria is not harmful, so no harm done, but it is hilarious none the less.

Dear FT, I did not bring up cats. It was the resident control freak without a platoon. Take it up with him.

As to the run down from jjt, she has a way of distorting and spinning. Just keep that in mind. She HAS to justify her nasty entrance onto the blog and the resistance she faced. The Monks don't "grow" fruits. Nature grows the fruits.

I've seen a picture of her on-line with a cigarette. It may be old but if it can't be that old. From that picture I gleaned that she sucks cigarette butts. If she does not then it was an honest assumption.

Creeped out, that does sound creepy (having him come to your house and hang). Would you mind telling us what discs you listened to. Who was presenting or what they were talking about. I'm not aware of official Monavie material like that. I think we should know about it. Thanks~

Man, color me surprised! I never thought I’d see our nemesis Bobby J issuing criticism of Monavie, but here we have his video…he shows that Monavie is overpriced compared with other juices and that it can be had for cheap on E-Bay. He’s obviously bitter and resentful at what the company did to him.
www.youtube.com/user/bobbyjmonavie#p/a/u/0/PlWsInUAr_U

I want to commend you Bobby for taking a step in the right direction and showing us that you still have your critical faculties. It’s all we were asking for in the first place. It’s all well and good to be enthusiastic when starting a new venture, but don’t let it blind you. Bobby learned the hard way but better late than never. BTW, your boxer is a cute pup! It’s painful to say goodbye to an old friend. I hope your next venture pans out…I don’t think the doll dress business is going to take off, but let’s hope it’s the one after that eh?

Seriously, man. I think it’s cool that you did that video. If you want to talk about it on the board, let’s talk about it for real…no BS this time.

At ease concern friend, if you go to your library you will find the synopsis in the JAMA about smoking. Don't believe what is written in Wikipedia or anything from websites

BSIT said “OK-let me get this straight. You, the consummate health guru that you are--slam Monavie saying it does 'nothing' for anyone, and that it tastes bad. Well, if that was the case, then how did this company ascend to the phenomenal success that it has had the last 5 yrs? Please explain how a company achieves such incredible sales if it's product is nutritionally void and tastes like crap. I'm dying for you to enlighten all of us. And don't start by saying we've all been duped, conned, or scammed. And don't start preaching the 'placebo effec' like Food Fake does. There is nothing placebo about how one's body responds to superior nutrition (and that includes a sick feline). It comes down to one simple truth: IF THE PRODUCT DIDN'T TASTE GOOD...NO ONE WOULD BUY IT!! Personally, I think it tastes great...what a way to start the day- w/ a cool refreshing shot of Monavie!”

There are two explanations as to why you would propose this same tired-out discredited argument

1. You are extremely ignorant.
2. You are extremely dishonest.

I’m guessing that both #1 and #2 apply. Can we be expected to believe that you’ve never heard of Enron or Bernie Madoff? Those enterprises were lauded to a much greater degree than Monavie and yet we all know now that they were scams that left the victims flat broke and the perpetrators indicted. You do yourself no favors when you invoke such a flimsy argument in support of Monavie.

The fact that the product is basically nutritionally void has been well demonstrated, and Food Tech has been hammering the point home almost daily by providing us with comparisons between the Schauss/AIBMR ORAC and polyphenol data versus the values in the USDA’s database. There is no room for argument about this. It’s an objective fact that Monavie has a relatively low ORAC score, low polyphenol content, and low anthocyanin/proanthocyanadin content relative to other inexpensive juices (like grape juice) and common whole fruits. Monavie contains nothing miraculous; nothing unusually healthful; nothing that would even remotely justify its laughably high price.

Monavie does taste like crap…it does nothing for one’s health…it is a blatant scam. The only people arguing the contrary are the desperate suckers who are trying their damndest to sell this joke-juice. I bet you’d sell dog urine to your own grandma as a cancer cure if you thought it would get you promoted one level on the Monavie pyramid. I’m amazed that anyone can be so gullible; so deluded; so incredibly dishonest, heartless, and mean spirited. Wake the F up and get off this train before it takes you barreling headfirst into a brick wall.

"The yammering and lying goes on. There's no one who's in 2 months making "good" money".

you LIE LIE LIE

Here are two names that made "good money" in Monavie in two months. Bangert's joined in July went Diamond in Sept. or how about the Licceardi's joined in June went Diamond in Aug. Care to rephrase your statement? didn't think so.

Wellmune, otherwise known as WPG 3-6, has been around since the 1960,s.
It seems as though Dallin & his cronies found another "MIRACLE" ingrediant to infuse the crap juice with. What is the amount of Wellmune in the juice? No info on that? Hm, kind of like the amount of Acai not being listed. A 2 month supply of Wellmune, WPG 3-6 purchased online runs around $ 20.00, vs about $ 300.00+ for mv containing an unknown amount of WPG 3-6.
This reminds me of mv active with glucosamine.
One can buy the glucosamine (w/chondroytin) at any supermarket for pennies per day compared to the magical purple elixar @ 5.00+ per day.

Rachael,

I apologize, you did properly use "your" in your post. I read it too quickly. See I can make mistakes, also. Your post was a personal attack, so I was immediately defending myself. Being in the military is not commanding, just btw.

Publius,

Please show ANY proof that you benefit from MV, either physically or financially. Also, show me where MV rose in status quicker/better than any other MLM? They are not a network marketing company, btw.

Racheal,
The word you were looking for is “you’re” not “your”. I am not sure where I was lying; please point it out to me. I stand by my comment that MV is Purple crap. Please prove to me otherwise. It has very little nutritional value and the binary plan is a compensation plan that at best will only pay you on less than 50% of your sales.

Nancy,

I NEVER stated that cats cannot use nutrition; cats CANNOT digest plant matter, no matter what you think. So they ONLY get nutrition from flesh of animals, which is why they are classified as carnivores. A cat enjoy cantaloupe, but it will not reap any nutritional benefits from eating it. Dogs enjoy chocolate and poinsettias but they can die from ingesting them. People enjoy heroin but it is not good for you. My point is if something enjoys ingesting something it does not mean that it is beneficial to them. Very much like you enjoy MV. A lot of cats and dogs enjoy antifreeze, but it kills them. Also, I would NEVER have a dog.

I am kind of a control freak, but it has worked well for me. I am not sure where I pontificated; I was not stating an opinion.

Please try to stay on task. This is about the issues with MV. Please tell us what it means when high level performers bail to work for a water company? How is that for business?

Furry,

Why don't you stop trying to deflect the discussion away from MonaVie and get back on subject.

Give us some scientific reasoning that will persuade us that MonaVie is something more than a fruit punch in a shiny bottle. Verifiable facts only.

Concerned-

Furry's right. Bombs must be going off in your head.

OK-let me get this straight. You, the consummate health guru that you are--slam Monavie saying it does "nothing" for anyone, and that it tastes bad. Well, if that was the case, then how did this company ascend to the phenomenal success that it has had the last 5 yrs? Please explain how a company achieves such incredible sales if it's product is nutritionally void and tastes like crap. I'm dying for you to enlighten all of us. And don't start by saying we've all been duped, conned, or scammed. And don't start preaching the "placebo effect" like Food Fake does. There is nothing placebo about how one's body responds to superior nutrition ( and that includes a sick feline). It comes down to one simple truth: IF THE PRODUCT DIDN'T TASTE GOOD...NO ONE WOULD BUY IT!! Personally, I think it tastes great...what a way to start the day- w/ a cool refreshing shot of Monavie!

Face it--you've never really drank this stuff seriously -- so--how can anyone objectively agree with your comments about it? Your comments about diet & exercise make sense. But anything you have to offer about Monavie is strictly your opinion. Moreover, you spout on & on about how smoking is not hurting you .. you can't be that naive, can you CF? Go ahead, folks, eat right, exercise, and puff your life away!! But, by all means, don't waste 5 cents of your hard-earned money on a fantastic supplement that's helped 1000's of people to begin turning their health around.

Furry is so right about you. You are dangerous.

bsit

I have read some of these posts and can't understand why it is so easy for you to bash others for believing in a product. I just listened to the new utube 4 part series done by Paul Clayton a microbiologist, who by the way is not affiliated with Mona Vie at all about their new product they just released.
It is hard to set and say they are selling junk when they have run $250 million dollars worth of tests and the government has even ran tests on fire fighters using the product. If you want to knock the product have the guts to look at the video with and open mind. At least be informed by getting all the facts by someone that has done some of the most comprehensive tests and has nothing to gain. He would not put his reputation on the line for a lie.

I am amazed at how many broke failures criticize network marketing. What a bunch of losers. "MLM", "Network Marketing", "Relationship Marketing", "Pyramids", "Direct Selling" or whatever you wanna call em, is the fairest form of compensation and business that has been thought of so far. It truly separates the men from the boys. And I do mean "BOYS." Grow up, and quit blaming other people/companies on YOUR failure. Just remember, network marketing ain't for everyone...somebody's gotta flip the burgers!"

My husband was approached @ our local mall by a couple who sell Monavie. We have a family @ home and both work full-time so we were interested in something else we could do to supplement our income. We invited the couple in to our home and tried the product, which tasted fine. They left us with some informational discs and the promise of attending their seminar a few days later. We attended the seminar and were still interested, and set up a meeting for the following weekend to introduce our friends and family to the product. However, when I started listening to the discs, and was a little bothered by how brain-washing they sounded, I did some reserch online. After reading some blogs like this one and getting the history of the company my husband and I decided not to join in. We let the couple know in a fair but firm way that we were no longer interested. When the husband of the couple came over to pick up his discs, he still tried to recruit my husband and kept him talking in the snow for ten minutes. The next night, he showed up again @ our home and called my husband, who missed the call. He sat in our driveway with his lights on and the car running for 10 minutes, as if waiting for us to call back or come outside. He finally left and hopefully got the message. I am definetely bothered by this intimidation and would not reccomend Monavie to anyone.

A Concerned Friend has never advocated smoking. He only says he smokes himself and considers himself healthy. He does in fact promote exercise, eating in moderation, eating whole fruits and vegetables, and working towards a lower BMI to prevent all the associated comorbities of obesity.

For the record I don't smoke. I did in fact smoke two+ packs of Marlboro "Red" 100's for over a decade but I quit when I became pregnant in 1986. There hasn't been a "Tim" post here whatsoever...until last month...yet he calls me out for smoking? Hmmm...curiouser and curiouser.

That's really not germane here....just like all the other pot shots and attempts at dissembling, misdirection, and illogical nonsensical arguments...all the while not posting a scintilla of support for a $45 a bottle crap fruit beverage with VERY low nutritional quality, a potentially dangerous and known carcinogen in the form of a completely unnecessary preservative, and a destined for failure business model. (The binary system and multiple business centers are two specific items listed as "red flags" by the Federal Trade Commission, incidentally.)

By the way, BJ, there's video of you smoking with your beloved Goliath. 8 years old isn't much longevity for a dog...even a bigger dog, like a boxer. Was it a congenital problem or was it the second-hand smoke he was force to inhale being around you??

The yammering and lying goes on. There's no one who's in 2 months making "good" money.

I've never said MonaVie tasted bad....I've never tasted it. I wouldn't waste my time. I'm brighter than believing in some magical $45 fruit juice.

SFH I was asked to research the product by a friend who'd been told it cures cancer, autism, ADHD, erectile dysfunction, nerve damage, old football injuries, psoriasis, insomnia, obesity...and more. I was outraged by what just a bit of research revealed. I found this site and posted what I'd learned and how my friend had been mislead. Nancy Purks, at the time Breezy in VA, and now Furry called me down as not being any sort of real friend. She and people like BJ posted libelous statements, personal insults, and veiled threats. There have been posts about the fruits in MonaVie being organic, wild crafted, natural harvested, the same fruits the Tibetan monks grow....all crap...every bit of them exposed as lies.

They're still here today, still dissembling, still fighting because their personally vested and having gotten in when they did they're just too deep and too slimy to walk away.

That's the background, not that I believe you have any genuine interest.

ACF & FoodTech...You all are great. Business is so crazy busy I don't do more than drop by and read most of the time, but I always enjoy you both and Love, Andrew too. It's still so creepy the way BJ/Mark have such deep seated homophobia....always talking about sexual proclivities, cross-dressing, and trying to present machismo squared. So sad. I have to wonder....before he went bald, don't you think maybe Bobby was one of those little boys whose mother dressed him up as a girl....did his hair in Shirley Temple curls...??

Keep fighting the good fight....the numbers for MonaVie are falling so fast. It would be very interesting to see the IDS presented as a graph....from the beginning to now.

Concerned Friend, better known as Control Freak. Are you for real?
to quote you ... that means cats cannot use the nutrients. Carnivores cannot breakdown the cell walls of the plants, People can digest plant products, so eating wheat grass is fine for omnivores, such as people.

Dang CF. People don't eat wheat grass, they juice it. Cats get the juice too with or without throwing it up.

It is this kind of pontificating that is so disingenous coming from you.

According to you cats can't use nutrition. I think bombs are going off in your head. Cats are used in nutrition studies and in pharmacological studies. But I guess it is because they can't metabolize anything. They should just throw it all in and only chew on livers.

I've said it before, it isn't fair that animals have to suffer for pharms and not get to benefit from supplementation. I bet your dog stays outside all the time too. I give up on you.

I guess you have never had the pleasure of watching cats enjoy cantaloupe.

Brown smelly is here: Martin Smirl He doesn't realize how redundant and predictable he is. BSS and his crazy friends.

Drink your Monavie (or don't). I sure enjoy Monavie.